[Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

[Richard Mann]

There are other "problems" with Andy's transport rendering that he would
probably put a greater priority on fixing(which doesn't mean he will do
them any time soon)

I ended up making my own bus map (in Maperitive)

Richard


On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:

> You see Gilles? It's not about to happen anytime soon. (It's not the first
> time I receive this answer). It would also help if somebody updated the
> wiki page where the 'new' scheme is explained, to reflect this opinion.
>
> Could somebody fix the validator in JOSM? A node with highway=bus_stop
> should not cause a warning when assigned a platform role in a route
> relation. I also fail to see why stop and platform roles are needed in
> stop_area relations. It's obvious which is which.
>
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2013/12/9 Richard Mann <richard.mann.westoxford at gmail.com>
>
>> highway=bus_stop & railway=tram_stop are well-established and do the
>> basic job perfectly well
>>
>> some people decided they wanted a different system
>>
>> the value to the renderers of processing the new system is unclear at
>> best; so they aren't likely to
>>
>> just add the established tags and be done with it
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eventually has already taken 2 years and might take another 5. I tag all
>>> my bus stops with highway=bus_stop, I'll replace it on all 40000 of them
>>> with public_transport=platform/bus=yes at some point in the distant future.
>>> I've been asking to render it for ages now and I gave up hope.
>>> I also don't see why I would be double tagging though.
>>>
>>> The problem is, of course, that in my route relations I do use the role
>>> platform, and JOSM's validator doesn't like that. So be it. It's annoying
>>> when this pops up in other people's sessions though and they start asking
>>> questions about it.
>>>
>>> The icon you see in JOSM, is just an icon. The internal rendering rules
>>> give precedence to railway=tram_stop or public_transport=platform/tram=yes.
>>> That's not a problem.
>>>
>>> No reason for separating them.
>>>
>>> I do separate stops over different nodes when they belong to different
>>> operators though, because sometimes the zones differ, or the refs, or the
>>> names. I then combine them into a stop_area relation, together with a node
>>> public_transport=stop_position/bus=yes (as a node of the highway). I don't
>>> always create these and I never add them to the route relations.
>>>
>>> The route relations are a pain to maintain, no need to make it even more
>>> complicated.
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/9 Mike N <niceman at att.net>
>>>
>>>> On 12/9/2013 6:52 AM, Gilles Baumgartner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Is it ok to *add* the legacy tag
>>>>> highway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=bus_stop
>>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop>
>>>>>
>>>>> to be at the same time compliant with the new tags but still make the
>>>>> renderer show the bus stop?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I would recommend adding the legacy tag.   This is because the public
>>>> transport tagging scheme is in a long transition period.  Eventually the
>>>> map rendering rules will be modified to include the new scheme.
>>>>
>>>>  *2. Combined stops, e.g. tram and bus*
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I'm not familiar with this problem; hopefully someone else will have a
>>>> recommendation.
>>>>
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