[Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

nounours77 kuessemondtaeglich at gmail.com
Wed Dec 11 15:10:01 UTC 2013


hi fly,

thanks for sharing your experience.

Being new to OSM I do not understand this story entirely, but it seems to be a long ongoing war between adherents of the old tagging scheme and the new one. I also understand that sometime you can get tired of discussing and arguing about the same thing, so you just do your work.

But can you also understand that your solution is somehow frustrating for somebody coming to OSM and want to tag the world for the benefit of everyone? If I tag like you suggest according to the new rules (and that’s actually what I did!!!), and then realize that nobody even realizes my work. Or even work, if I correct a line that was tagged according to the old rules, but some streets changed, or some stops were added, and I „profit“ from the correction to shift to the new schema, and then suddenly the stops are not rendered anymore — this you cannot call an improvement?

=> So I do really not care who’s fault it was some time ago, but what I do care is that we have a very confusing situation, which does not help our common cause. I want to see this kind of application finally seeing light. 
http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a425/eisbaer99/OSM/PE_PubTransp_zps186b8f3f.png
If we fight over incompatible conventions, we will not advance.

How is willing to try to make these things move to the better???

Cheers, nounours77


Am 11.12.2013 um 15:57 schrieb fly <lowflight66 at googlemail.com>:

> On 09.12.2013 17:09, Pieren wrote:
>> I find the answers on this thread so pathetic. This mailing list is
>> all about public transport and we get regularly so many complains in
>> other channels that the proposal is over complicated, unclear and is
>> promoting a version which is not supported by the tools like the
>> rendering since years. This is one of the biggest mess currently in
>> OSM and none of the people who created it seem to be brave enough to
>> improve things.
>> Either accept that the public transport proposal failed on some areas
>> and change the wiki or push stronger the devs and maintainers to adopt
>> the new one. You seems to be satisfied by the current situtation but,
>> again, it is so repulsive that many contributors just stop editing
>> public transport.
> 
> I do not care about the renderer anymore as I did create tickets/issues
> about it a long time ago and I did not get any response.
> 
> For new objects I only use the new scheme (even do not add area=yes to
> platforms).
> 
> For existing objects I simply add the new scheme.
> 
> The JOSM validator warning hits the spot where the old scheme does not
> work, e.g. determine between stop-position and platform and I meet
> several stop which have only one platform on one side of the road for
> both directions.
> 
> Cheers fly
> 
> 
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