[Talk-transit] Buses in Brighton, UK

[Stephen Dawkins]

I did check a bunch of stops on my street, and the NaPTAN data for Brighton
and Hove looks generally good, albeit slightly displaced in areas (and the
curious case of a stop registered twice, once in the wrong admin area).

Interestingly, I've found that the stops on the Brighton and Hove
website[1] have a different positions, in some case more accurate. Perhaps
they need to be nudged into updating NaPTAN with their data. If you dig a
bit, you can get the KML file for it here[2].

Regards
Stephen

[1]http://www.buses.co.uk/travel/live-bus-times.aspx
[2]http://bh.buscms.com/brightonbuses_all_stops.kmz?format=kml&v=9

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Roger Slevin <roger at slevin.plus.com>
wrote:

> I am surprised to hear that the current NaPTAN data (which is continually
> updated) has errors in it – and I wonder therefore if the problem may lie
> in the updating of NaPTAN data in OSM.  The original upload of NaPTAN to
> OSM was done about five years ago – and therefore it would not be
> surprising to find stops missing or ones that have moved in the meantime.
>
>
>
> I believe that Brighton & Hove are good at maintaining the data in NaPTAN
> – but their idea of precision and yours may differ (as for public transport
> information we can be tolerant of slightly imprecise locations).  So you
> should use the latest version of NaPTAN and I can supply a copy in XML or
> CSV format if that would help.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
>
> Roger Slevin
>
> Traveline south east & anglia
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> *From:* Chris Hill [mailto:osm at raggedred.net]
> *Sent:* 30 June 2015 10:58
> *To:* Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics; Stephen Dawkins
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-transit] Buses in Brighton, UK
>
>
>
> I had the NaPTAN data imported for my local patch. The data is based on
> submissions from each local authority and I think the quality varies. I
> checked about a hundred stops and ended up surveying a couple of thousand
> bus stops because the quality was so poor. Locations were missing, in
> hopelessly wrong places and the meta data was often wrong. The local
> authorities here don't seem to believe in sharing data so you may have a
> completely different result. If you plan to survey some or all of the stops
> then using NaPTAN data as a hint to find them is useful. I suggest you
> check out a few first to assess the quality before any import.
>
> You should email talk-gb and possibly the imports ml to see what people
> think, this ml doesn't have a wide audience
>
> Cheers, Chris
>
> On 30 June 2015 10:43:20 GMT+01:00, Stephen Dawkins <elfarto at elfarto.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> I was just starting to map the bus routes in Brighton, UK, when I noticed
> that it's missing a whole bunch of bus stops. Is the any objection to bulk
> importing either the NaPTAN data to fill in all the missing stops?
>
>
>
> Reading the mailing lists, it seems the NaPTAN data is not ideal, but
> surely it's better than having no data at all.
>
>
>
> For stops that already exist, I'd like to enhance them with their NaPTAN
> identifiers, but I won't attempt to move them (the assumption being the
> existing data is probably more accurate).
>
>
>
> I'm fairly new to OSM and was wondering if there is any issue in doing
> this?
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> Stephen
>
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