[Talk-transit] Making bus lines more specific

[Phake Nick]

Excuse me, I am a bit lost on how refining bus stop/station/platform tags
will help resolving the issue of making bus route tagging more specific,
and differentiate between different rype of bus services, which is the
topic of this email thread?

在 2020年4月28日週二 15:45，Robin Däneke <robin at daeneke.at> 寫道：

> Hello everybody,
>
> I have lately been thinking about somehow reworking (or giving a new push
> to) the current p_t:v2 scheme.
> Especially for the fact, that, since it was first proposed and accepted,
> not a lot has changed in which tags are rendered, how certain things are
> hence mapped and the Wiki-Pages on the topic have also changed in the last
> years without any visible going through another proposal process.
>
> When I started mapping in 2011, and first read the german and then the
> english p:t:v2 wiki pages, it was:
> - highway=bus_stop is a legacy tag that should eventually be completely
> phased out
> - stop positions and platforms are to be both mapped
> and some other things I already forgot…
> Now, iD has a rule in its verifyer, that requires highway=bus_stop on
> platform nodes. The point of the public_transport tags is, among other
> points, to replace less dedicated highway tags.
> I think it would be time for a p_t:v2.5 proposal, where we take the
> innicial ideas of the v2, maybe refine a few small details (like is
> stop_position required, or just platforms, can relations of route-parts be
> used in route relations to save on redundancy…) and then put it forward for
> voting. If accepted, we would possibly now have more leverage to get the
> editor and render-programers to actually properly implement it this time
> around.
>
> Maybe I could find some time to write my suggestions into a document, and
> we could collect the ideas for those extra tags in there too. I think it
> would make more sense that way, than just the addition of a few tags to the
> current scheme, to then be ignored by the rest of OSM once again.
>
> Kind Regards
> Robin D. (emergency99)
>
>
> PS: The problem with bus_stop on platform: platforms can be nodes, lines,
> ways, even relations, highway=bus_stop can only be a node. This old tag
> should go the same way as the farm tag, which was (forcefully) abandoned a
> couple of years back. There it worked, why not for the „new“ p_t scheme?
>
> > Am 28.04.2020 um 00:12 schrieb Guilherme Braga Alves <
> gbragaalves at gmail.com>:
> >
> > I read your responses and I tend to agree that the opening_hours tag is
> enough to characterize services that are only operated during peak hours.
> >
> > On the other hand, it seems to me that there is also agreement on the
> relevance of having tags to differentiate bus services.
> >
> > How can we expand this debate and expand this discussion? It may be
> interesting for other members of the list to speak out, and then we can
> create or redeem a proposal for implementing new tags.
> >
> > P.S .: I don't know if this message will enter the reply queue
> correctly; I hope I'm not opening a new topic. I apologize for my
> inexperience with maillists.
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