[Talk-us] Specifications (was: Bay Area trailer parks: "hamlet" ? Also neighborhoods & cities)
Michal Migurski
mike at stamen.com
Sat Nov 29 09:50:13 GMT 2008
On Nov 28, 2008, at 11:51 PM, Alan Brown wrote:
> >Using the hamlet value seems like a forced fit. Why not just use
> place=neighborhood then? So >what if it's not "approved"? Use it
> widely, then request for it to be rendered. Problem solved.
>
> If I were to create a new model for something, I'd create a new
> category for "apartment complexes and trailer parks" sooner than a
> new category distinguishing neighborhoods from hamlets. (I would
> also tend to represent apartment complexes and trailer parks as
> polygons, rather than points -> landuse=residential +
> name="whatever").
I was thinking rather of deleting the points, and replacing them with
polygons tagged residential. Kind of a moot point at the moment, since
Potlatch is refusing to let me save any edits - anyone else having
this problem?
> What OSM is calling hamlets was probably something like "named
> place" in TIGER - very generic. If you increase the number of ways
> you categorize named places, you should expect the categories to be
> clear enough that people will apply them properly, and regularly. I
> think the biggest distinction between hamlet and neighborhoods is
> that a hamlet would be rural and unincorporated and often lacking
> strict boundaries, and a neighborhood would be a named section
> within a city - and unincorporated and often lacking strict
> boundaries. The consequences of lumping them together are not
> terrible, because you would tend to use the data similarly (use the
> same font, appear at the same zoom levels).
Since I have some experience rendering OSM data, I know how much of a
hassle it is to keep up with shifting tags and a large variety of
overlapping categorizations. It sounds like hamlet is an appropriate
way to deal with sections of town, I think it would make sense to keep
that in place.
"Neighborhood" could have the unfortunate side effect of requiring
polygons, and as you say neighborhood boundaries are uniquely
subjective, moreso I think than other designations.
-mike.
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