[Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado

Chris Wold, PhD cwold at recentric.com
Fri Sep 4 04:30:29 BST 2009


TopOSM-CO is Brilliant!  I live in Boulder, CO and have been using OSM for a
few years now.  Great job!!! 

Thank you Lars!


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>    1. Unpaved streets (Nakor)
>    2. Re: Unpaved streets (Ian Dees)
>    3. Re: Unpaved streets (Paul Fox)
>    4. Re: Unpaved streets (Alex Mauer)
>    5. Re: Unpaved streets (Ian Dees)
>    6. TopOSM Colorado (Lars Ahlzen)
>    7. Re: TopOSM Colorado (Lars Ahlzen)
>    8. Re: TopOSM Colorado (Richard Weait)
>    9. Re: TopOSM Colorado (Bill Ricker)
>   10. Re: TopOSM Colorado (Jason R. Surratt)
>   11. Re: TopOSM Colorado (Richard Weait)
>   12. Re: TopOSM Colorado (Jason R. Surratt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:13:41 -0400
> From: Nakor <nakor.wp at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets
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>  Hello,
> 
> In my neighborhood there are some unpaved residential streets. How should
> those be tagged?
> 
> highway=track
> 
> highway=residential
> surface=unpaved
> 
> BTW does highway=residential imply surface=paved?
> 
>  Thanks in advance,
> 
> N.
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> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:17:43 -0500
> From: Ian Dees <ian.dees at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets
> To: Nakor <nakor.wp at gmail.com>
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Nakor <nakor.wp at gmail.com> wrote:
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> >  Hello,
> >
> > In my neighborhood there are some unpaved residential streets. How
> should
> > those be tagged?
> >
> > highway=track
> >
> > highway=residential
> > surface=unpaved
> >
> 
> That's how I've been doing it.
> 
> 
> >
> > BTW does highway=residential imply surface=paved?
> >
> >
> No tag should ever imply any other tag. It's always better to be more
> verbose than not.
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> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:27:37 -0400
> From: Paul Fox <pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets
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> ian wrote:
>  > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Nakor <nakor.wp at gmail.com> wrote:
>  >
>  > >  Hello,
>  > >
>  > > In my neighborhood there are some unpaved residential streets. How
> should
>  > > those be tagged?
>  > >
>  > > highway=track
>  > >
>  > > highway=residential
>  > > surface=unpaved
>  > >
>  >
>  > That's how I've been doing it.
>  >
> 
> do you have a way of rendering those unpaved streets distinctively?
> 
> paul
> =---------------------
>  paul fox, pgf at foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 61.7
> degrees)
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:30:13 -0500
> From: Alex Mauer <hawke at hawkesnest.net>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets
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> On 09/03/2009 09:17 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
> > No tag should ever imply any other tag. It's always better to be more
> > verbose than not.
> 
> No it's not.  Are you seriously putting oneway=no (just to name one
> example) on every street you tag?
> 
> -Alex Mauer "hawke"
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:44:16 -0500
> From: Ian Dees <ian.dees at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets
> To: Alex Mauer <hawke at hawkesnest.net>
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Alex Mauer <hawke at hawkesnest.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 09/03/2009 09:17 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
> > > No tag should ever imply any other tag. It's always better to be more
> > > verbose than not.
> >
> > No it's not.  Are you seriously putting oneway=no (just to name one
> > example) on every street you tag?
> 
> 
> Dangit, someone (probably you, Alex :) ) made this point before. You're
> right ... but I don't think of oneway=no as an implied tag. I would call
> it
> the default for all road ways... which I guess is an implied tag.
> 
> Ok, how about this: implied tags should be the exception, not the rule.
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> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 20:15:08 -0400
> From: Lars Ahlzen <lars at ahlzen.com>
> Subject: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado
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> Hi All!
> 
> It's been a while since the last TopOSM update, but I haven't been
> resting. After Massachusetts, I decided to pick a state with somewhat
> more interesting topography: Colorado.
> 
> http://toposm.com/co/
> 
> There are still a few rough edges and things that are missing (like the
> map legend), so consider it a "preview".
> 
> TopOSM-CO has a few important differences from TopOSM-MA:
> 
> * Color-by-elevation in base layer.
> 
> * Contour lines and hillshading generated from NED [1].
> 
> * Hydrography (lakes, rivers, wetlands etc) from NHD [2].
> 
> * The hillshading, contour lines and map features are on separate
> layers. Use the layer switcher (top right "+") to toggle.
> 
> Since the data is nationwide, the same technique could (theoretically)
> be used to generate a complete TopOSM map of the US, or even the world
> by using e.g. SRTM for elevation and OSM for hydrography.
> 
> I'll update the TopOSM wiki page [3] with the changes in this version as
> soon as I can.
> 
> - Lars
> 
> 
> 
> [1] National Elevation Dataset. Available for the entire US.
> http://ned.usgs.gov/
> 
> [2] National Hydrography Dataset. Available for the entire US. There is
> some effort to import this into OSM, but we're not there yet.
> http://nhd.usgs.gov/
> 
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TopOSM
> 
> --
> Lars Ahlzen
> lars at ahlzen.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:46:17 -0400
> From: Lars Ahlzen <lars at ahlzen.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado
> To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
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> Richard Weait wrote:
> > What I saw was beautiful before we squashed your server! ;-)
> 
> Hmm... I too have noticed that the site occasionally stops responding
> after scrolling the map around a bit. It tends to come back in 5 minutes
> or so.
> 
> TopOSM is currently hosted by a hosting company on some serious
> hardware, so I don't think it's getting overwhelmed. I'm thinking that
> perhaps the very large number of requests in a short time looks like an
> attack and they temporarily block the IP.
> 
> Is anyone else experiencing this?
> 
> - Lars
> 
> --
> Lars Ahlzen
> lars at ahlzen.com
> 
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:59:15 -0400
> From: Richard Weait <richard at weait.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Lars Ahlzen<lars at ahlzen.com> wrote:
> > Richard Weait wrote:
> >> What I saw was beautiful before we squashed your server! ;-)
> >
> > Hmm... I too have noticed that the site occasionally stops responding
> > after scrolling the map around a bit. It tends to come back in 5 minutes
> > or so.
> >
> > TopOSM is currently hosted by a hosting company on some serious
> > hardware, so I don't think it's getting overwhelmed. I'm thinking that
> > perhaps the very large number of requests in a short time looks like an
> > attack and they temporarily block the IP.
> >
> > Is anyone else experiencing this?
> 
> When I looked later it was still gorgeous.  Right to the top of the
> best of OSM list with you!
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:42:09 -0400
> From: Bill Ricker <bill.n1vux at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado
> To: Lars Ahlzen <lars at ahlzen.com>
> Cc: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
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> > TopOSM-CO has a few important differences from TopOSM-MA:
> 
> What, MASSGIS doesn't cover Aspen?
> 
> > * Color-by-elevation in base layer.
> 
> interesting
> 
> > * Contour lines and hillshading generated from NED [1].
> 
> does that mean you're interpolating lines from a grid?
> 
> > * Hydrography (lakes, rivers, wetlands etc) from NHD [2].
> 
> which will eventually be in OSM
> 
> > * The hillshading, contour lines and map features are on separate
> > layers. Use the layer switcher (top right "+") to toggle.
> 
> AWESOME. that's beautiful.
> 
> > Since the data is nationwide, the same technique could (theoretically)
> > be used to generate a complete TopOSM map of the US, or even the world
> > by using e.g. SRTM for elevation and OSM for hydrography.
> 
> requiring only a render farm plus some config ?
> 
> Use any perl in ingesting or anything?
> 
> 
> --
> Bill
> n1vux at arrl.net bill.n1vux at gmail.com
> 
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 22:54:07 -0400
> From: "Jason R. Surratt" <jason.surratt at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado
> To: Lars Ahlzen <lars at ahlzen.com>
> Cc: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
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> > It's been a while since the last TopOSM update, but I haven't been
> > resting. After Massachusetts, I decided to pick a state with somewhat
> > more interesting topography: Colorado.
> >
> > http://toposm.com/co/
> >
> >
> Absolutely phenomenal. I live in the Colorado Springs area and it makes
> some
> of the trails I've been mapping really pop. Great job!
> 
> If you're entertaining the world you may want to look at the Aster GDEM
> dataset too (http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/gdem.asp). It provides 1arcsec
> (~30m) post spacing for nearly the entire globe (83N/S) and is freely
> available. Unfortunately downloading the entire data set from their
> website
> would be difficult at best and there are reports of some spurious
> artifacts.
> 
> -jason
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> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:02:45 -0400
> From: Richard Weait <richard at weait.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Jason R.
> Surratt<jason.surratt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely phenomenal. I live in the Colorado Springs area and it makes
> some
> > of the trails I've been mapping really pop. Great job!
> 
> You live in a beautiful place, Jason.  If you get a chance, run up to
> Manitou Springs and fix some of the TIGER geometry there?  Such a nice
> place deserves better data. I was able to fix a few things last time I
> was there, but trips are too few and too far between.
> 
> Best regards,
> Richard
> 
> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 23:13:38 -0400
> From: "Jason R. Surratt" <jason.surratt at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado
> To: Richard Weait <richard at weait.com>
> Cc: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
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> Thanks. We love it here.
> 
> I've been picking away at Manitou over the past month or so -- still a
> long
> way to go, but we're getting there.
> 
> -jason
> 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Richard Weait <richard at weait.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Jason R.
> > Surratt<jason.surratt at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Absolutely phenomenal. I live in the Colorado Springs area and it
> makes
> > some
> > > of the trails I've been mapping really pop. Great job!
> >
> > You live in a beautiful place, Jason.  If you get a chance, run up to
> > Manitou Springs and fix some of the TIGER geometry there?  Such a nice
> > place deserves better data. I was able to fix a few things last time I
> > was there, but trips are too few and too far between.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Richard
> >
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