[Talk-us] Unpaved streets

[Apollinaris Schoell]

full support for all your arguments.

there are a few places where the wiki is different and I think we  
should change these definitions.

1) National Forest Service, Bureau of Indian Affairs, Power  
Administration, and Bureau of Land Management routes
.....
highway (required) track or tertiary depending on unpaved or paved  
respectively.
this should be changed to  track,tertiary,service,unclassified  
depending on the class and importance of the road

the main wiki for highway was updated recently too and  
United_States_roads_tagging page should follow. I think people most  
tag according to importance anyway.
this brings us to the topic of tiger import again. there are too many  
roads tagged as residential. We should try to find a way to identify  
all residential roads without any address and downgrade.
not sure if tiger data contains some attributes to make this possible.
on a smaller scale roads in national parks, forests, other park areas  
are never residential with very few exceptions. changing them can be  
done easily by any mapper. highest tag for unnamed  roads should be  
service and in a lot of cases only track.
If others agree we should put it on the tiger cleanup pages.
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On 7 Sep 2009, at 6:41 , Greg Troxel wrote:

> Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org> writes:
>
>> OK, but can you drive them in a PT Cruiser Touring Edition, a Porche
>> 911, or some other low-slung, stiff-suspension vehicle on it without
>> problems?  How about a road bicycle (which absolutely depends on
>> pavement)?  Probably not going to be happening.
>
> Yes, you'd be ok in those on some roads, and of course not on some.
>
> But 'residential' isn't about road quality, it's about whether a  
> road is
> a "public way" or "private way" vs. something that happens to exist  
> in a
> farm, forest, or some other sub-legal-road setting.
>
> In Massachusetts, roads (and private ways, but not driveways or farm
> tracks) are separate lots on assessor's plots and the at the  
> registry of
> deeds.
>
> At
>
>  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway
>
> track says:
>
>  Roads for agricultural use, gravel roads in the forest etc.; usually
>  unpaved/unsealed but may occasionally apply to paved tracks as  
> well, see
>  tracktype=* for more guidance.
>
>
> Most proprietary maps I've seen show only what I'd call
> highway=residential and up.  Driveways and tracks in forests are
> omitted.  I think that's because they are car navigation centric, and
> also because of the legal classification of roads.
>
>
>
> I think the real problem here is that different people want to attach
> different semantics to tags, but we have nonorthogonal tags.  For  
> roads,
> there are two mostly orthogonal concerns:
>
>  legal status
>
>  physical condition
>
> I am arguing that highway=residential speaks to legal status but  
> doesn't
> say much about physical condition, and that physical condition tags  
> are
> needed.  If I understand you correctly, you would label a track an
> unpaved road that is a distinct parcel owned by the town, has a name,
> houses with numbers and addresses on that road (and appears as a  
> road on
> most other maps).  I see there is some support for this notion at
>
>  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging
>
> and wonder if it is new - I don't remember seeing that on my previous
> reading, and I don't think it's the right thing to do.  My wiki-fu is
> too weak to do 'svn blame' on the source...
>
>
> Separately, we need an equivalent tag to residential for roads that  
> are
> less than unclassified but don't meet the residential notion.
>
>
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