[Talk-us] highway=cycleway or highway=path

[PJ Houser]

Well, I have a conundrum here in Portland, Oregon. The 4 TriMet mappers here
in Portland would prefer to tag all multi-use paths as paths, with
bicycle=designated, particularly because we are attempting to make the
Portland area routable. OpenTripPlanner, the multi-modal routing software
we'll be using, routes for walking, bicycling, cars, and transit, so I'm
hoping to let paths be paths because that implies bicycle AND pedestrian are
legally allowed equal access. However, a fellow user, Paul Johnson, favors
highway=cycleway for designated multi-use paths. I am cc-ing him for his
input, as there is probably a good reason he prefers cycleways. I am also
cc-ing the OSM-PDX google group for their input.

Terms:
Cycleway: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway "The
highway=cycleway indicates that the used way is mainly or exclusively for
bicycles. Some consider it better to use highway=path if use is not
restricted to cyclists."
Path: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath "This tag is
used for paths for which all and any of highgway=footway, highway=cycleway,
and highway=bridleway would be inappropriate or inadequate (or simply not
sufficient), but which are nonetheless usable for travel or navigation. They
might be not intended for any particular use, or intended for several
different uses. Intended uses can be indicated with the access=designated
keys. It is also used for hiking trails."

Some examples of multi-use paths tagged as highway=cycleway:
Eastbank Esplanade
http://www.portlandonline.com/parks/finder/index.cfm?PropertyID=105&action=ViewPark
Morrison Bridge Multi-use Path
http://bikeportland.org/2011/06/10/morrison-bridge-path-to-close-for-construction-project-54559
Hawthorne Bridge, with both pedestrian and bicycle markings
http://bikeportland.org/2005/11/21/hawthorne-bridge-gets-new-markings-673.

Traffic stats:
In 2008, the breakdown for peak-hour (4-6 pm) usage of these trails shows
that cyclists usually dominate, but pedestrians make up from 15% to 50% of
the traffic.
http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=34778&a=292746


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PJ Houser
Trimet
GIS intern
username: PJ Houser

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> From: Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net>
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> On 6/20/11 8:29 PM, PJ Houser wrote:
> > I'm sure this was discussed ad nauseum at some point, so feel free to
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> > me to the correct thread.
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> i would say that consensus was not achieved.
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> i personally favor highway=path and then
> setting bicycle, foot, etc., to indicate access permissions as appropriate.
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> richard
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> From: Mike N <niceman at att.net>
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> On 6/20/2011 8:39 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
> > i personally favor highway=path and then
> > setting bicycle, foot, etc., to indicate access permissions as
> appropriate.
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>  I agree - this is the approach taken with the JOSM preset, and will
> thus gravitate toward a more exact definition as tag sets become more
> unified.
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:11:27 -0400
> From: Josh Doe <josh at joshdoe.com>
> To: Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net>
> Cc: talk-us at openstreetmap.org
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> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net>
> wrote:
> > On 6/20/11 8:29 PM, PJ Houser wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm sure this was discussed ad nauseum at some point, so feel free to
> >> point
> >> me to the correct thread.
> >>
> > i would say that consensus was not achieved.
>
> Consensus for all of OSM or OSM in the US?
>
> > i personally favor highway=path and then
> > setting bicycle, foot, etc., to indicate access permissions as
> appropriate.
>
> I'd tend to agree, unless it's abundantly clear that it's meant for
> pedestrians (e.g. sidewalks) or cyclists (e.g. path designated as a
> cycle path).
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> -Josh
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