I've been doing some work here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.7216&lon=-117.3273&zoom=12&layers=M , which is being rendered in zooms 13 and higher, but not at 12 or below. Most of the water feature shown by this link was removed a few days ago. When should it be rendered? -- Alan Mintz <Alan_Mintz+OSM at Earthlink.net>