[Talk-us] Difficult USA mapper(s)

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 01.11.2012 01:18, Greg Troxel wrote:
> So overall, I would say that if user A complains about user B making
> non-local objectionable changes, and that's the only complaint, then
> it's really hard to tell.  It could be that the non-local user in some
> cases is right in a sense (consider bringing a jury of 6 seasoned
> mappers to the area for a survey and pub discussion about what they'd
> do, and see how that comes out).

Yes. We do indeed occasionally have local "tagging bullies" who closely 
monitor everything mapped in their region and disagree with most of it, 
and there's probably a limit to how much we can let them dictate for 
their area.

> Reasonable people, more or less by
> definition, do not provoke complaints by large numbers of other
> reasonable people.

Indeed.

> All that said, it's not clear that the DWG is the right group.  But I
> think OSM needs a body of elders (who have the respect of the community
> as reasonable and fair people) to deal with complaints of behavior that
> doesn't meet community interaction norms.

DWG currently has a (more or less self-selected) mandate of dealing with 
disputes, vandalism, and bots/imports. The problem we're talking about 
here often arises from a dispute but in the end it's not the dispute 
itself, but the lack of civility in dealing with it that leads to DWG 
involvement.

Even though we're one world-wide project, communities in different 
countries are different and the social norms for interaction may be too. 
I think I speak for most of my colleagues at DWG when I say that we 
would very much like to be able to refer any cases that are essentially 
about manners, about getting people to talk to each other in a way that 
behooves a community project, to some regional or national "body of 
elders" familiar with the local language and social norms.

Just as we're trying to here ;)

Bye
Frederik

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