[Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Randal Hale rjhale at northrivergeographic.com
Sun Feb 10 16:18:50 GMT 2013

+ 4 to what Mike said. What is the precedent from other bans? Is there a 
wiki page of bannination?


Randal Hale, GISP
North River Geographic Systems, Inc
423.653.3611 rjhale at northrivergeographic.com

On 02/10/2013 11:04 AM, Michal Migurski wrote:
> I'm familiar with his work and have run afoul of his views in the past, most recently when I performed a large scale edit to US route relation tags, some of which he did not agree with. I don't know if any were reverted. Nevertheless, I don't see the value in running him out on a rail without more actual evidence of malice, detailed precedents from other bans, and some expectation that the OSMF could help here. These days I'm happier with NE2 than I am with the foundation, believe it or not.
> -mike.
> ---------------------------------------
> michal migurski http://mike.teczno.com
> On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Michal Migurski <mike at teczno.com> wrote:
>>> I don't agree. NE2’s edits, most of all the route relations, are enormously valuable to OSM in the US. I'm not aware of any precedent for banning a user like this, and I'm not eager to see one set.
>> Mike,
>> Your information on NE2 is grossly inaccurate.
>> NE2 makes very few positive edits, and many, many destructive ones, as
>> well as previous threats to make more edits that conform with his (and
>> only his) vision of the world.
>> I realize that from a numerical standpoint, it may seem like he is a
>> positive contributor, but this is due to our general acceptance of
>> people even in the face of disagreement. But in NE2's case, he is a
>> bully, and having a bully does not serve the community well.
>> Regarding precedent, this would not be the first person that the OSMF
>> has had to take action on. Others have been banned, but NE2's
>> particular brand of edit has always ridden the line, as he's not
>> explicitly doing anything illegal (ie not copyright violation). But
>> OSM is not his personal playground, and his view that this project is
>> his sandbox to impose his will on (reality and community consensus be
>> damned) is just unacceptable.
>> It's understandable that if you are not familiar with NE2's behavior
>> first hand, that you would see this as a a misunderstanding, but NE2's
>> behavior has been damaging to the project for so long that we simply
>> have no choice but to take actions to protect the project's
>> cohesiveness.
>> - Serge
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