[Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

Bill R. WASHBURN dygituljunky at gmail.com
Sun Feb 10 20:51:43 GMT 2013

At the risk of sounding like I'm defending NE2, one of Ian's points is that
NE2 is banned from the list and that discussing this, here, does not allow
ALL of the parties in the case to be involved in the discussion.

One of the things that we need is a formal and transparent grievance
process to correct poor behavior (and to build cases for banishment, when
appropriate). In this case, it seems likely to me that the remediation
process would have been resisted and the mediators, themselves, would have
had their own case(s).

For the sake of the strength of the project, for the sake of due process,
and for the sake of being able to defend any sort of ban or other action,
NE2 must have his day in "court." He (and those that may defend him) must
be able to speak their minds. On the other hand, those the present
situation isn't fair to those of us with grievances. The present situation
also is, in total, harmful to the project.

Add a side note, I actually do think that the idea of putting changeset
approval processes in on new accounts and as a remediation measure in cases
like NE2's is a fantastic idea. This would give the community an
opportunity to prevent newbie mistakes from making it to the published map,
correcting their newbie edit errors for a few edits until it's clear that
they get the swing of things, and for sending rogue editors back to
get-along-with-the-community school.

Bill, aka dygituljunky
On Feb 10, 2013 1:57 PM, "Paul Johnson" <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Ian Dees <ian.dees at gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you feel there's a problem with a particular mapper please contact the
>> mapper and the Data Working Group to help mediate the discussion so that it
>> doesn't run rampant and one-sided on the mailing list.
> Could we get the DWG in on this thread?  Enough members of this project
> are involved in this issue that having this discussion in public where all
> parties concerned can by a part of the discussion, or at least see the
> thought process on the DWG's part, that it would be a disservice to hide
> this in an ivory tower.
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