[Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Mon Feb 11 17:16:17 GMT 2013


So can we revert NE2's revert from last night?
On Feb 11, 2013 10:35 AM, "Michael Patrick" <geodesy99 at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI, an official ruling from Mouseland. This email stuff is pretty cool,
> one can actually directly ask somebody who is a Subject Matter Expert! ;-)
>
> Michael
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: FHP <FHP at flhsmv.gov>
> Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM
> Subject: RE: Legal Intersection Crossing
> To: Michael Patrick <geodesy99 at gmail.com>
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>  Dear Michael,****
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> Thanks for your inquiry. Your question is:****
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> The maneuver in question is whether one can proceed from the off ramp stop
> line, proceed perpendicular across Buena Vista Dr. , and enter onto the
> southbound onramp back onto southbound World Drive.  ****
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> The answer is *“not without violating Florida law”.* ****
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> Point #1: The off ramp lane in your scenario is clearly marked as a “Left
> Turn Only” lane by the turn arrows painted on the roadway. In your
> scenario, instead of making a legal left turn, you would drive straight
> across the intersection and cross a “solid white line” and enter a “Right
> turn only lane” as indicated by the right turn arrows painted on the
> roadway.****
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> Point #2: The right turn lane on Buena Vista Dr in which you would be
> entering, has a *solid white line* on both sides of the lane which means
> that a vehicle that has lawfully entered the lane cannot exit or change
> lanes and no other vehicles are permitted to cross the solid white line to
> enter the lane at that location.****
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> The Florida Driver Handbook states on page 47:****
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> *Solid White Line*
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> A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes
> of traffic moving in the****
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> same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this
> line, but you should****
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> not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.****
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> Since no hazard exit, this would be a violation of Florida Law. ****
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>   *From:* Michael Patrick [mailto:geodesy99 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 1:47 AM
> *To:* FHP
> *Subject:* Legal Intersection Crossing****
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> We are embedding turn restrictions in automated routing software. ****
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> What is contested: ****
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> The general area is west of Epcot Center, the end of the southbound off
> ramp from southbound World Drive to the intersection with Buena Vista Dr.*
> ***
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> See attached photo BuenaVistaDrive-004.jpg ( or ****
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> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2S25sLXRLUW4wb0E/edit?usp=sharing
>  )****
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> The maneuver in question is whether one can proceed from the off ramp stop
> line, proceed perpendicular across Buena Vista Dr. , and enter onto the
> southbound on ramp back onto southbound World Drive.  This is shown as the
> red arrow on BuenaVistaDrive-001.jpg ( or see ****
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> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2M0lIY0RoUUEzUTA/edit?usp=sharing)
> ****
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> This seems to be indicated because of the double signal visible from the
> off ramp stop line, even though at this point the road is a single lane.
> Also,there is a white left turn pavement arrow on the exit ramp.****
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> See the red arrow on BuenaVistaDrive-002.jpg ( or ****
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> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2em84TG1jb2hTcTQ/edit?usp=sharing)
> ****
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> Superficially, at least, it seems possible to do this without crossing the
> gore markers in the intersection.****
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> BuenaVistaDrive-003.jpg ( or ****
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> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2X1RKVzI3RXdzQzA/edit?usp=sharing)
> ****
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> Also, although there is only a double signal on Buena Vista Dr. eastbound
> at this intersection, the stop line extends all the way across all three
> lanes of traffic, including the exit only onto the southbound World Drive
> ramp. ****
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> BuenaVistaDrive-005.jpg ( or ****
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> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxor0dnxUrN2YlotaTVMRHA2OW8/edit?usp=sharing)
> ****
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> After researching the Federal Highway Standards, the Florida Driver's
> Manual, etc. we were unable to make a conclusion. **
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> Thank you for your time and consideration,****
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> Michael Patrick****
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> Open Street Map****
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