[Talk-us] Cam4rd98 just doesn't get it

[Ian Dees]

SteveA,

This message is completely off topic and goes in direct contradiction with
my previous message.

You have been temporarily moderated as a result.

-Your friendly talk-us@ mod


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:55 PM, stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:

> **
>
> Folks, talk-us@ is a place for discussion, not personal attacks.
>
>
> If you have a problem with a particular user, contact the user and if they
> don't respond e-mail data at osmfoundation.org.
>
>
> Apologies to all.  I did/do not wish to attack anybody, just note what
> seemed ironic or even humorous.  I hereby promise to be more careful with
> my tone here.
>
> While NE2 is no longer contributing, and many of his contributions, to put
> it mildly, were "controversial," I do believe he made many important
> contributions.  For example, his assertions about national bike routes,
> while quite premature compared to which routes AASHTO has vs. hasn't
> approved, DID spark important discussion between American Cycling
> Association and one OSM contributor (me), and I have gone to great lengths
> in the last few weeks to improve the situation.
>
> In some cases this includes deleting a "state=proposed" or "ncn=proposed"
> tag from a route relation (which is correct, as AASHTO hasn't approved it
> -- a state has not made such an application and it was quite premature of
> NE2 to have "jumped the gun" here), I am regularly leaving NE2's relations
> in the OSM database as "dummy placeholders" so that when/as Kerry and I
> better coordinate state teams who are doing this work in the present and
> future, much of the work of adding highway segments will have already been
> completed (by NE2).  True, they'll have to correct 2% to 10% of what NE2
> did (it varies on each ncn route he asserted), and they'll have to add back
> the tags so that OpenCycleMap and waymarkedtrails.org renderers pick up
> and render those routes, but that is much better than starting from
> scratch.  In that sense, I'd like to thank NE2 for that work, even if what
> he did was foment a national bicycle route conversation and how it is
> mapped in OSM in a "jump the gun" kind of way.
>
> This message really is meant to convey that there is an important
> (off-line now, but started here on talk-us) discussion going on about
> national bicycle route mapping, and even thanks a person whom I was
> described as attacking.  Again, I do not wish to attack, I wish to
> discuss.  Thank you also to this talk-us forum for the opportunity to do so.
>
> Renderings at
> http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=5&lat=39.3&lon=-92&hill=0&route=1#
> of national bike routes are quite accurate (I'd say 98%) as of right about
> now.  That's a result of literally dozens of tedious emails back and forth
> between me and Kerry, and me JOSM-ing my stubby thick fingers off, almost
> exclusively what I've been doing the last couple of weeks.  OSM, I don't
> seek accolades, although you are welcome (we are welcome?).  And yet, there
> is still so very much more to do!
>
> SteveA
> California
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