[Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Sun Mar 10 18:19:16 UTC 2013

If I can get the route through Oregon, I wouldn't mind finishing out that

On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM, KerryIrons <irons54vortex at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Nathan,
> Thanks for letting me know the source of the OSM/OCM maps.  Paul Johnson
> has
> contacted me as well.
> As you may have seen from other e-mail exchanges the goal here is to have a
> coordinated mapping effort where the involved parties are communicating.
> The OSM/OCM maps were brought to our attention by one of the bike advocates
> working on USBR implementation.  The message was basically "I don't know
> where these came from and others I have contacted don't know either but
> we'd
> like to talk to whoever put them into the system."   Since the process for
> developing a USBR involves working directly with the local road agencies
> who
> have to approve the route we want to have clear communication with everyone
> involved in a "no surprises" environment.
> I'm not saying that the routes you have chosen are "wrong" in any way but
> that we need to have everyone in the loop from the start.
> We have been looking for how to maintain accurate maps of the USBRS as it
> grows and OSM/OCM may be a useful tool for that purpose.  We would like to
> engage mappers to help us so we need communication and coordination to make
> that happen.
> I think it would be productive for you and me to chat by phone at your
> convenience.  My number is 989-631-6368 and I'm available roughly 7:30 AM
> to
> 10:00 PM Eastern Time, any day of the week.
> Kerry
> PS - regarding your posts on the ACA forum:
> - I will contact AK DOT to see what they say about the limited access
> sections of SR 1 on USBR 97.  They are the ones who submitted the routes to
> AASHTO and so I assume they have somehow dealt with this issue.
> - The numbering system was developed by an AASHTO task force and approved
> by
> AASHTO and so the general grid is in place.  New routes can be and are
> added
> as needed but the general layout is firm.  One can always second guess the
> numbering choices.  USBR 76 is a "legacy" route based on the original
> Bikecentennial Route implemented in 1976 and is now the Adventure Cycling
> Association TransAm route.  All the other east/west route numbers work
> around it and while it does result in some distortion we don't see any
> serious issues that result.  Route density in the western states is and
> always will be low and the fact that 76 has an unusual number highlights
> that it is an outlier.  The federal highway system has comparable artifacts
> - e.g. US 6 runs south of US 10.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Edgars II [mailto:neroute2 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 4:31 PM
> To: irons54vortex at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] US Bicycle Routes in KY, TN, AL, MS, and GA
> I put them in, based on existing state bike routes that follow the
> corridors, except in Alabama where the state has actually identified
> proposed USBRS routings. These aren't just made-up routings, but existing
> routes that will presumably be the first iteration in the process. OSM also
> shows proposed roads whose alignment has not been finalized, such as the
> Southport Connector:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.1227&lon=-81.3278&zoom=14&layers=M
> As for USBR 76 in Kentucky, it's my understanding that it's been approved
> but isn't signed. Thus showing it as an active route would be misleading to
> cyclists trying to follow it.
> Also note the routes out west, such as USBR 95. You'll want to talk to user
> Paul Johnson about that one.
> PS: I've made several posts on the ACA forum but got no response:
> http://www.adventurecycling.org/forums/index.php?topic=9929
> http://www.adventurecycling.org/forums/index.php?topic=11065
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