[Talk-us] More road name expansion thoughts

[Simon Poole]

Just a quick remark: there is already a tag "short_name" that is
supported for example by nominatim that can be used for storing a
contracted version of name for rendering and other purposes if necessary.

Simon

PS: these discussions are not unique to the states, even though the use
of contractions is likely to be highest there.




Am 22.07.2014 01:55, schrieb Dale Puch:
> I see the reason for all this work is to make the data un-ambigious.  To
> that end expanding all the contractions.  This is needed for text to
> speech, consistent searches, and probably a few other issues.  From the
> expanded data names can be contracted a lot easier without mistakes.
> 
> Raw data: northwest 15th drive
> spoken data: northwest fifteenth drive
> Map data: NW 15th Dr.
> 
> I don't think we need to store 2 or 3 copies for 99.9% of the names, but
> some will break the rules the rest follow and need some kind of "don't
> expand" flag or alt name(s) stored because of that.
> 
> 
> Dale Puch
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com
> <mailto:emacsen at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mikel.maron at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     > Here in Washington DC, the street names are all suffixed with the
>     quadrant
>     > (NW, SE, SW, NE) the road lies in. The official names of the
>     streets kept by
>     > the DC city government all use the contraction. Historically, I
>     could find
>     > no maps that used the expansion.
> 
>     The city maps may use the same contractions as TIGER, etc. but we know
>     they're contractions, which is distinct from being words, so I don't
>     the city maps as being a reason for changing the way the entire OSM
>     project handles contractions.
> 
>     BTW, for anyone who isn't aware, I lived in DC from 1996-2012, which
>     is both a long time, and also a recent time. I consider myself
>     essentially a local in this matter.
> 
>     > For spoken navigation systems, this is probably the easiest
>     situation to
>     > identify and handle, without ambiguity.
> 
>     The real issue is trying to standardize the OSM data for data
>     consumers, which text-to-speech systems will benefit from, but they're
>     not the only ones.
> 
>     > OSM maps of DC now just look a bit bizarre.
> 
>     The MapBox folks seemed to have figued this out US-wide and
>     re-contract the road names and the directional identifiers. This is a
>     rendering problem- one which I agree with you 100% that it should be
>     fixed, not just for directions but also for road identifiers, because
>     we in the US are used to seeing contractions.
> 
>     Another proposal I've seen which seemed interesting (though not free
>     of problems) is the idea of a new tag that was basically the name of
>     the road exactly as it appears on a road sign.
> 
>     I agree with you 100% that we should strive for a map that looks
>     "American" for US map users. The MapBox folks seem to have done it, so
>     really this is a problem with osm.org <http://osm.org>'s map. Their
>     map is really
>     British-Euro centric in many ways, and it would really be nice if we
>     had a good, solid alternative, much like osm.fr <http://osm.fr>.
>     Maybe MapBox can
>     share some of their style with us, or if not, we have our work cut out
>     for us, but I'm sure we can do it.
> 
>     > So I don't recommend we apply this expansion without consideration of
>     > regional variation. Before any expansion scripts are run, in DC or
>     anywhere,
>     > the local community needs to be consulted sufficiently.
> 
>     Can you elaborate on this?
> 
>     - Serge
> 
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