[Talk-us] Fwd: USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

[Martijn van Exel]

No more of this please. I'd place this thread under moderation if I
could, but since Ian is on vacation, I will have to rely on you all to
do the right thing and take this wholly inappropriate mode of
discussion offline.

Martijn

On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Russ Nelson <nelson at crynwr.com> wrote:
> Serge Wroclawski writes:
>  > My opinion is that this is a single data source issue. Unlike other
>  > data that we collect, there is nothing in the ground indicating the
>  > existence of this as a route. There's no sign indicating where the
>  > route is, so there's be no way to collect this data other than by
>  > looking at an external dataset and either importing or tracing.
>
> You're just a little bit insane, Serge. Let's say that I follow this
> route on my bicycle using a cue sheet and keep a GPS track. Then I load
> my GPS track into JOSM and create a relation and call it USBRS #47 (or
> whatever). How is this an import??
>
>  > I think that's an import, because it's taking external data and
>  > applying it to OSM without even the potential for ground validation.
>
> You're twigging this as an import because there aren't any signs on
> the ground. What if I post my cue sheet on a sign? Again, how does
> this become an import?
>
> It bears none of the problems of imports:
>   o imports create a whole new set of nodes.
>   o imports can have copyright issues.
>   o imports can be non-human-scale.
>   o imports can be data dumps that don't get maintained.
>   o imports make bulk changes to the database.
>
> This is nothing like that. Your *only* reason for calling this an
> import is because there aren't any signs. Yet. That reason isn't good
> enough to call it an "import".
>
>  > We have a lot of data that we could include in OSM that would be
>  > useful.
>
> Everything that people care about having in a map is useful. You don't
> care about this. Fine. Somebody else doesn't care about something you
> want in OSM. Imagine *cooperating* with other people.
>
>  > I think that this kind of data doesn't belong in OSM.
>
> And when you see it on OpenCycleMap? Does it belong there? Should we
> fork the database now, so that we have a Serge OSM and a Nelson OSM
> and a USBRS OSM? Remember what I said earlier: a little bit insane.
>
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