[Talk-us] Proposal: Sunset ref=* on ways in, favor of relations

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Wed Nov 11 14:06:58 UTC 2015

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net>

> On 11/11/15 8:49 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >
> > County and city routes might be a tough nut to crack.  The two Tulsa
> > City Expressways use fairly generic (and in the old pre-carto
> > rendering, coincidentally approximated) official signage.
> >
> so produce a generic looking svg file for the particular shield.
> > Gilcrease Expressway (G):
> >  http://s167.photobucket.com/user/bugo348/media/gilcreaseexpy.jpg.html
> > Tisdale Parkway (LL):
> >  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2682/4185244881_b1236112b2.jpg
> >
> > None of the county routes in Tulsa County are signed, though they are
> > painted on the pavement itself in Nowata County, and posted on the
> > same style sign as street names in Osage and Washington Counties, and
> > there's yet more that use standard MUTCD-style county shields, and at
> > least one that simply uses blue painted metal sheets with the numbers
> > spraypaint-stenciled on.  Probably suggest using the generic MUTCD
> > shield when the exact shield is unknown, and approximate it when it is
> > known.  But let's cross that bridge once the ball is rolling and the
> > state level systems and higher are rendering from relations...
> >
> and for unsigned routes, either don't create the relation, or create a
> relation
> and use unsigned_ref instead of ref

I'm a proponent of preserving this data in unsigned_ref=* myself, as is the
case with Interstate 444.  Though the problem is moot for Tulsa County
since the county roads are named (and these names get preserved across city
lines, such as seen at
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3b7BSP49ewPnNf7xihIiMg/photo , the blue
sign indicates Broken Arrow's name for it as a city street, the green sign
indicates it as a county road (yes, this is confusing to locals as well).
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