[Talk-us] San Diego Address Import Update

John Eldredge john at jfeldredge.com
Tue Nov 17 04:35:35 UTC 2015

The definition of city varies from state to state. In Virginia, for 
example, a city is at the same jurisdictional level as a county. It is not 
part of a county, even if completely surrounded by the county.

John F. Eldredge -- john at jfeldredge.com
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On November 9, 2015 11:50:09 PM Tod Fitch <tod at fitchdesign.com> wrote:

>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Richard Welty <rwelty at averillpark.net> wrote:
>> maybe but i would do some more research before making an assumption.
>> i'm aware of many postal city addresses that are in different counties
>> than the
>> "real" cities and i believe there are at least 4 cases where postal delivery
>> crosses state lines.
> What is a “city” in US specific OSM terms?
> I prefer a postal city definition as that is the most useful for routing 
> purposes which I feel is the primary use of address data in OSM. Or are we 
> dealing with some other concept of addr:city?
> Using Pine Valley, California, as have been my examples for other posts in 
> this thread, I see the administrative boundary for the city San Diego is 
> probably 30 miles away: The locations are neither within the boundary nor 
> in the postal delivery area for the city of San Diego. To me that clearly 
> indicates the addr:city=“San Diego" tags is wrong.
> So what value to use for the addr:city tag values? There is an 
> administrative boundary around the area that looks like it is from the 
> original Tiger import with the name of “Pine Valley” as a “locality”. There 
> is a post office there with a “Pine Valley” sign on the building. The ZIP 
> codes that were imported on the change set for this area all are set to 
> 91962. When I look up 91962 on the USPS official web site it returns “Pine 
> Valley, CA” and only “Pine Valley, CA”. The USPS result page also says 
> "Please use the default city whenever possible” which indicates they think 
> everyone should use “Pine Valley”. There is no county, state or national 
> border near by to confuse the issue.
> Looking at adjacent “towns” (may only be census designated areas) I see the 
> same thing. Just look at Guatay, CA a little west on the old main highway 
> and you will see the same thing.
> So what “more research before making an assumption” should be done in this 
> area? I suspect a theoretical problem with a hypothetical general case is 
> be being brought up when what I see in the data is a pretty straight 
> forward issue of bad data that can be corrected.
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