[Talk-us] Odd road / odd structure

[Rihards]

On 2016.05.25. 06:19, Bill Ricker wrote:
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org
> <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>> wrote:
>
>     In the American context, this is an edge case, big time.
>     ​
>
> ​What is old is new again.
>
> Officer housing at old Fort Hamilton (Brooklyn, the Narrows) were laid
> out with a Livable Street design before that was a name.  (They had
> service alley or mews in the rear and grassy forecourts. The officers
> were expected to walk to work on-base in the 1880's - 1910's.) I am
> familiar with this because my favorite (maternal) uncle's favorite
> (maternal) uncle lived off-post/on-post in old Officers Quarters after
> the base perimeter had contracted but it was still Officer country
> (1928-1930) ... he lived on the eponymous ​Hamilton Way [1] which is
> coded highway=footway [2] , which page on our wiki suggests
> highway=pedestrian [3] if wider, and cross-references [4] Path Controversy.
> (Per OSM, the house still stands.)
>
>     ​​ I would lean towards livable_street, since there's no separate
>     sidewalk, no reasonable expectation you're going to go more than
>     cycleway speed, and the main entries to buildings are on it​
>
>
> ​While 'livable street'​
> ​is an Urban Design term of at for the concept in some areas, I don't
> see it in OSM wiki or taginfo ? [5] .  OSM seems to use the similar
> highway=living_street  [6]  for low speed limits, pedestrian as primary
> but not exclusive, which doesn't seem to be the case in the
> grassy-and-walk shared front yards shown by the original question on
> thread here (but without Mews/alley in rear). The living_street examples
> in OSM wiki appear to be extreme traffic calming to restore in-street
> playability to 1950s suburban, 1930s urban level but still tolerate
> commuter cars returning home and a UPS delivery through the street-ball
> play, which is not the feature exhibited by original post.​

to give a different perspective, that looks like a highway=service from 
both sides, with a footway potentially connecting them. if desired, 
service=driveway could be added.

living_street in most european countries is an officially designated 
area with a sign like this :
http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/QNfHdIXQdxCA8Cy1eSphxw/photo

it usually means maxspeed=20 km/h and giving way to pedestrians/cyclists 
(everywhere)

> ​[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/5677149 ​
> [2] ​http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=footway?uselang=en-US ​
> [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian
> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Path_controversy
> [5a] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=livable#values
> [5b] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=livable_street#values
> [5c] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=pedestrian#values
> [6a] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=living_street
> [6b]
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tag:living_street%3Dyes
>
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