[Talk-us] Bar vs Pub vs Restaurant in the US?
gdt at lexort.com
Thu Sep 29 17:16:38 UTC 2016
Andrew Wiseman <awiseman at gmail.com> writes:
> The wiki uses a European context, so here's my attempt at classifying what
> is what in the US. Let me know what you think.
I mostly agree; comments on details.
> To me, a "pub" in the US would be bars that have food, but the food isn't
> the main attraction - you mainly go there to hang out or talk with friends
> or watch the game or just drink, but they may have food too. For example, a
> sports bar or your neighborhood bar if they have wings or nachos or
> burgers, but that's not the main draw. Wonderland in DC, for a specific
pub/restaurant is hard, as both have food. But agreed that if (some
combination of) the primary draw is a great beer selection, the ambience
is "in a bar" vs "restaurant that has a bar someplace", and if the menu
tends to burgers and pizza, then pub is the right call.
> A "bar" would be a place that doesn't serve food at all, like a cocktail
> bar or just some bar without food, where they might not have seats, which
> is something the wiki suggests. The Adams Morgan area in Washington, DC has
> a lot of these places, for example, where people stand around and drink
> mostly, maybe dance too. McSorley's in New York would be another example of
> a bar, with seats.
Or even places that have some food, but are not really intending to have
meals. Or where the food is really really secondary as you say.
> And a "restaurant" would be a place where there is alcohol but you mainly
> go for food -- for example, bar and grill chains TGI Fridays, Applebee's,
> Buffalo Wild Wings, etc. would fall into this category. So would non-chains
> that are similar. I would posit that most people don't go to TGI Friday's
> just to drink.
Yes, but restaurant in OSM also requires that you are seated at tables
with table service. if you get it yourself, then:
> There's also "cafe" as a separate tag which can include food and alcohol,
> but to me a cafe is a coffee shop that might also have beer or food, but
> coffee is the main attraction -- like a Starbucks in the US.
That's not what the OSM tag means; it's more european. In OSM, "cafe"
means (usually) that there is real food, but (always) that you order at
a counter and then either take it yourself or have the staff bring it to
you. However, a coffee shop is very probably a cafe under this
definition. But so is a place that has real food cooked by a chef,
except that you don't get waited on.
One area of disagreement you'll find is the boundary between fastfood
and cafe. A McDonald's, to pick the poster child, is clearly "fast
food". The OSM definition talks about how the food is prepared in
advance vs to order for a specific customer. I have been tagging dunkin
donuts as fast food rather than cafe; you can get a sausage egg and
cheese - but it's factory food in the microwave. Starbucks I see as on
the line, and boutique coffee shops tend to get cafe. This is
troublesome because it more or less comes down to "real food" vs
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