[Talk-us] Bar vs Pub vs Restaurant in the US?

Greg Troxel gdt at lexort.com
Thu Sep 29 17:44:10 UTC 2016

Jeffrey Ollie <jeff at ocjtech.us> writes:

> Third, the laws/regulations around liquor licenses are complex for various
> historical and political reasons and vary state by state and probably even
> city by city. What classifies as a bar in one state might be a restaurant
> in another.

Agreed that terms in local law should be ignored.

> So, trying to come up with hard and fast rules as to what's a pub, bar or
> restaurant is doomed to failure. The only test that makes any sense is
> "what do the locals consider it?" I know that's too fuzzy for some people
> but trying to come up with precise definitions for OSM is doomed to failure
> because there aren't precise definitions in the real world.

I agree with the "what does it feel like" part, but not "what the locals
call it".  One of the central issues in tagging in OSM is that words are
used for a specific meaning (usually UK usage, as we know) and the point
is to have a consistent labeling of things around the world, even if
local language is different.  So that leads to "what would someone from
the UK, but who had lived in the area for a year, call it?".

But, I completely agree that the boundaries are fuzzy and that it does
not really matter which is used when it's close.
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