[Talk-us] Trunk

Nathan Mills nathan at nwacg.net
Sun Oct 15 04:23:18 UTC 2017


I guess my question is why primary isn't good enough for the primary route between places that don't have higher grade roads connecting them? These important mostly two lane roads are perfectly fine as primary.

In many cases primary routes happen to be divided, but in many cases they aren't. Having a simple distinction between the two by using trunk to mean non-motorway divided (or similar) preserves long-standing practice and generally seems like a good thing to me.

-Nathan

On October 14, 2017 11:18:43 PM EDT, Evin Fairchild <evindfair at gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm amazed that NE2's definition hasn't been removed after 7 years. It
>must
>not have been that controversial or else someone would have removed it.
>Seems like you just don't agree with his opinion and just really have
>some
>personal problems with that guy. I know he engaged in some really dumb
>stuff like unilaterally changing all the US highways to trunk and he
>ultimately got banned for a turn restriction dispute with you over a
>parclo
>interchange in Florida, but he's not the only one who believes that
>many US
>highways are deserving of trunk status given the amount of traffic they
>receive and their importance in a region's highway network.
>
>On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:02 PM, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 9:43 PM, Evin Fairchild <evindfair at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2017 5:41 PM, "Paul Johnson" <baloo at ursamundi.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Evin Fairchild
><evindfair at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2017 4:25 PM, "Paul Johnson" <baloo at ursamundi.org>
>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Evin Fairchild
><evindfair at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 14, 2017 2:04 PM, "Wolfgang Zenker"
><wolfgang at lyxys.ka.sub.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> it looks to me that this discussion is going in circles, not
>forward
>>>>> at the moment. IMHO it does not make a lot of sense to argue what
>might
>>>>> be the true meaning of "trunk". Instead, we should concentrate on
>what
>>>>> it should mean, document this meaning if we can agree on one and
>don't
>>>>> worry to much about what other maps or different parts of the
>world
>>>>> think a "trunk" is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, the whole reason why this discussion hasn't resulted in a
>>>>> consensus for 7+ years is because people have dug in their heels
>so much
>>>>> and said "trunk roads can only be divided highways, no its, ands,
>or buts."
>>>>> I support what is written on the wiki that says that it is the
>second most
>>>>> important road after motorway. I haven't seen a single compelling
>reason to
>>>>> believe that trunk should only apply to divided highways. You can
>still
>>>>> tell whether a trunk is divided at low zooms based on how thick
>the line is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm OK with single carriageway trunks, if they're controlled
>access,
>>>> like, say, the Chickasaw Turnpike, and similarly constructed roads.
> The
>>>> single carriageway parts of US 395 or US 97 in eastern Oregon, US
>400 in
>>>> Kansas or US 75 in Oklahoma, though?  They're all solid primaries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You actually think that US 97, the main artery thru Central Oregon
>that
>>>> passes thru the Bend area which has a 75K population and a metro
>population
>>>> of 100K shouldn't be connected to the outside world with a trunk
>road?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes.  Because for the majority of that length that isn't between US
>20
>>> and County Road 40 is, for all practical purposes, the same generic
>two
>>> lane, shoulderless ribbon of pavement that pretty much any two lane
>Texas
>>> FM or RM road, or pretty much any other similar road in the American
>west.
>>> Primary is more than ample for such a road.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's not accurate to compare a US highway to some podunk FM/RM
>road out
>>> in the middle of nowhere in Texas. US 97 has way more traffic and
>very
>>> deserving of its trunk road designation. Most US highways are,
>except in
>>> places where they parallel an interstate or other freeway. BTW, this
>is
>>> what is written on the wiki.
>>>
>>
>>  Which was updated by NE2 to skew towards his view of the situation. 
>Any
>> edits by him have negative value at this point.  Disconnect his
>reality
>> from actual reality.
>>

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