[Talk-us] Trunk

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Sun Oct 15 08:08:01 UTC 2017

Not entirely a bad idea, but runs fundamentally in to the same issue this
thread is about, if not moreso.  FM 2161 would wind up as a more
significant road than OR 22 in such a scenario.  Never mind that OR 22 on
the west side of Salem, OR is a major 50 MPH expressway going directly to
the core of Oregon's capital as an expressway leading west from the
Willamette RIver to OR 99W.  FM 2161 is a 70 MPH road best known for part
of it being US 66 before 1988 when US 66 was retired.  I'd still consider
OR 22 as a trunk.  The old_ref=US 66 portion of ref=FM 2161 would be a
judgement call on primary, even if I'd consider most Texas Farm to Market
routes as unclassified or tertiary; it's extremely strong historical
significiance would be what brings it to as high as secondary or primary in
my mind, despite being literally of the same design and barely less
significant than US 97 for most of it's length.

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:40 AM, Bradley White <theangrytomato at gmail.com>

> If we can determine importance (which is what the 'highway=' tag
> fundamentally represents per the wiki) solely by what's on the ground,
> why not just tag what's physically there, ditch the 'highway' tag
> altogether, and let the renders handle it with their own algorithms?
> >On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The US is pretty well known for overbuilding highways.  Are we trying to
> >> document how things are on the ground or how things are actually
> >> connected?  If we're going for the former, then yeah, only Bend Parkway
> and
> >> a brief streak through Klamath Falls is a trunk part of US 97.  If we're
> >> going for the latter, then go ahead with NE2's idea and smash almost
> >> everything into trunk.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Keep hitting send too soon.  Personally, I find what's on the ground to be
> >more useful than the connections.  Game theory and any routing engine can
> >figure out the connections.  But knowing what's a stupid rural road with
> an
> >overly generous speed limit and what's almost but not quite a freeway is
> >more useful.  If I'm driving a big rig going from southwestern Canada or
> >Alaska to somewhere in Nevada, I don't give two shakes what some toolbag
> >things is the most prominent road.  I care more about what *actually is a
> >big road*.  Calling a two leg segment of US 97 30km outside of East
> >Butthump, Oregon a trunk is a great disservice when it's basically on par
> >with County Road Number Who Even Cares tracing off to Outer
> >Smalltownsville, other than the fact that it goes through.  Calling it a
> >trunk when it's not is going to set an unreasonably high expectation for
> >what is otherwise an overtravelled, glorified two digit National Forest
> >route through the east Cascades frontier.  Primary is definitely ample for
> >that road, even if you're going a more obscure minor haul route like Salem
> >to Reno.
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