[Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 129, Issue 33
Jay Johnson
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Wed Aug 29 00:30:45 UTC 2018
The power squadrons are racing boats. That is not a government agency. Few people are going to mix up NASCAR and USPS, and I think the same thing applies here. Powerboats are not in a fixed location.
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Today's Topics:
1. USPS Post Boxes (Leif Rasmussen)
2. Re: USPS Post Boxes (Paul Johnson)
3. Re: USPS Post Boxes (Jmapb)
4. Re: USPS Post Boxes (Jack Burke)
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:31:32 -0400
From: Leif Rasmussen <354lbr at gmail.com>
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Subject: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes
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Hi everyone,
A couple of days ago, I noticed that different post boxes in the United
States had different ways of tagging that they were part of the USPS
system. Roughly 60% had "operator"="USPS", 40% "operator"="United States
Postal Service", and about 15 similar to "operator"="United States Post
Services" or "United States Post Office". I wanted to make them all the
same, so I asked on the OSMUS Slack group about the tags, and most people
supported "USPS". I then proceeded to upload a changeset manually
converting 1500 "United States Postal Service" or similar to "USPS". I
should have waited longer before uploading.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62020302
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Boq
All post boxes in the USPS system now have "operator"="USPS".
After uploading, people expressed concern about the choice of "USPS" over
"United States Postal Service". The wiki states that abbreviations should
be expanded, "USPS" could be confused with other agencies
, and this
counted as an automated edit, which should have had better planning with
the OSM community.
I would now like to propose converting all post boxes with the tag
"operator"="USPS" to "operator"="United States Postal Service". I would
also like to add the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687" to the post boxes
that currently have "operator"="USPS". Please reply with any feedback or
concerns you have with this proposal.
Thank you,
Leif Rasmussen
OSM username: LeifRasmussen
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:36:45 -0500
From: Paul Johnson
To: Leif Rasmussen <354lbr at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes
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I fully support the expanded version, not the abbreviated version.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 14:32 Leif Rasmussen <354lbr at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> A couple of days ago, I noticed that different post boxes in the United
> States had different ways of tagging that they were part of the USPS
> system. Roughly 60% had "operator"="USPS", 40% "operator"="United States
> Postal Service", and about 15 similar to "operator"="United States Post
> Services" or "United States Post Office". I wanted to make them all the
> same, so I asked on the OSMUS Slack group about the tags, and most people
> supported "USPS". I then proceeded to upload a changeset manually
> converting 1500 "United States Postal Service" or similar to "USPS". I
> should have waited longer before uploading.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62020302
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Boq
> All post boxes in the USPS system now have "operator"="USPS".
> After uploading, people expressed concern about the choice of "USPS" over
> "United States Postal Service". The wiki states that abbreviations should
> be expanded, "USPS" could be confused with other agencies
> , and this
> counted as an automated edit, which should have had better planning with
> the OSM community.
> I would now like to propose converting all post boxes with the tag
> "operator"="USPS" to "operator"="United States Postal Service". I would
> also like to add the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687" to the post boxes
> that currently have "operator"="USPS". Please reply with any feedback or
> concerns you have with this proposal.
> Thank you,
> Leif Rasmussen
> OSM username: LeifRasmussen
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:02:40 -0400
From: Jmapb
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Subject: Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes
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On 8/28/2018 3:31 PM, Leif Rasmussen wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> A couple of days ago, I noticed that different post boxes in the
> United States had different ways of tagging that they were part of the
> USPS system. Roughly 60% had "operator"="USPS", 40%
> "operator"="United States Postal Service", and about 15 similar to
> "operator"="United States Post Services" or "United States Post
> Office". I wanted to make them all the same, so I asked on the OSMUS
> Slack group about the tags, and most people supported "USPS". I then
> proceeded to upload a changeset manually converting 1500 "United
> States Postal Service" or similar to "USPS". I should have waited
> longer before uploading.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62020302
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Boq
> All post boxes in the USPS system now have "operator"="USPS".
> After uploading, people expressed concern about the choice of "USPS"
> over "United States Postal Service". The wiki states that
> abbreviations should be expanded, "USPS" could be confused with other
> agencies
> , and
> this counted as an automated edit, which should have had better
> planning with the OSM community.
> I would now like to propose converting all post boxes with the tag
> "operator"="USPS" to "operator"="United States Postal Service". I
> would also like to add the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687" to the
> post boxes that currently have "operator"="USPS". Please reply with
> any feedback or concerns you have with this proposal.
Thanks for looping us in, Leif. Haven't made it to the slack group yet,
but when I noticed that change I thought to myself "thank the Lord, it's
over!" Every time I've tagged a post box I've managed to convince myself
that I did it wrong the previous time. So I rotated between "USPS",
"usps" and "United States Postal Service" and figured I'd get around to
fixing them when my brain settled down. Seeing someone else take the
initiative was a relief, despite the understandable grumbling about
automated edits.
Now that it's done, I'm in favor of making an exception to the
no-abbreviations rule for a fixed set of couriers, so sticking with
USPS. It's easy to tag and read, and I don't think it's truly
ambiguous... if the United States Power Squadrons start a courier
service, *they* should be tagged with the fully expanded name.
Another reason is that there are plenty of private company post boxes,
and I'd like the tagging style to be consistent as possible, with the
commonly-used compact versions of their names. I feel operator=UPS,
operator=FedEx, operator=DHL will be easier to write, maintain, and read
than operator=United Parcel Service, operator=Federal Express,
operator=.. well, I still can't figure out what DHL actually stands for.
Also -- not an issue for postboxes per se, but I've found occasion to
tag some some shops with the shipping companies they offer, and the idea
of a semicolon-seperated list of fully expanded shipping company names
makes me weary.
(No problem with adding the operator:wikidata tag.)
Thanks, Jason
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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:02:52 -0400
From: Jack Burke
To: talk-us at openstreetmap.org,Jmapb
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] USPS Post Boxes
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Because they are labeled "United States Postal Service" with big stickers, that's how I've been tagging them.
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On August 28, 2018 4:02:40 PM EDT, Jmapb wrote:
>On 8/28/2018 3:31 PM, Leif Rasmussen wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> A couple of days ago, I noticed that different post boxes in the
>> United States had different ways of tagging that they were part of
>the
>> USPS system. Roughly 60% had "operator"="USPS", 40%
>> "operator"="United States Postal Service", and about 15 similar to
>> "operator"="United States Post Services" or "United States Post
>> Office". I wanted to make them all the same, so I asked on the OSMUS
>
>> Slack group about the tags, and most people supported "USPS". I then
>
>> proceeded to upload a changeset manually converting 1500 "United
>> States Postal Service" or similar to "USPS". I should have waited
>> longer before uploading.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/62020302
>> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Boq
>> All post boxes in the USPS system now have "operator"="USPS".
>> After uploading, people expressed concern about the choice of "USPS"
>> over "United States Postal Service". The wiki states that
>> abbreviations should be expanded, "USPS" could be confused with other
>
>> agencies
>> , and
>> this counted as an automated edit, which should have had better
>> planning with the OSM community.
>> I would now like to propose converting all post boxes with the tag
>> "operator"="USPS" to "operator"="United States Postal Service". I
>> would also like to add the tag "operator:wikidata"="Q668687" to the
>> post boxes that currently have "operator"="USPS". Please reply with
>> any feedback or concerns you have with this proposal.
>
>Thanks for looping us in, Leif. Haven't made it to the slack group yet,
>
>but when I noticed that change I thought to myself "thank the Lord,
>it's
>over!" Every time I've tagged a post box I've managed to convince
>myself
>that I did it wrong the previous time. So I rotated between "USPS",
>"usps" and "United States Postal Service" and figured I'd get around to
>
>fixing them when my brain settled down. Seeing someone else take the
>initiative was a relief, despite the understandable grumbling about
>automated edits.
>
>Now that it's done, I'm in favor of making an exception to the
>no-abbreviations rule for a fixed set of couriers, so sticking with
>USPS. It's easy to tag and read, and I don't think it's truly
>ambiguous... if the United States Power Squadrons start a courier
>service, *they* should be tagged with the fully expanded name.
>
>Another reason is that there are plenty of private company post boxes,
>and I'd like the tagging style to be consistent as possible, with the
>commonly-used compact versions of their names. I feel operator=UPS,
>operator=FedEx, operator=DHL will be easier to write, maintain, and
>read
>than operator=United Parcel Service, operator=Federal Express,
>operator=.. well, I still can't figure out what DHL actually stands
>for.
>
>Also -- not an issue for postboxes per se, but I've found occasion to
>tag some some shops with the shipping companies they offer, and the
>idea
>of a semicolon-seperated list of fully expanded shipping company names
>makes me weary.
>
>(No problem with adding the operator:wikidata tag.)
>
>Thanks, Jason
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