[Talk-us] Senseless Germans, again.

[Rihards]

On 2018.07.25. 13:33, Bryan Housel wrote:
> Do you live in Austin, TX?
> If not, why do you care whether the students want to map sidewalks there?

That's weird, Bryan.
I don't live in Austin, but I have done some extensive mapping there
years ago. But that should not be a requirement to care about OSM data.
I do care very much about the quality of OSM data worldwide, because I
might help with an area remotely, map it while visiting or just want to
use it for navigation while there.

I appreciate all efforts to improve data quality. There's a bunch of
discussion about what tiger import did or dis not, but bad data
definitely discourages me from participating. If I have to spend 30
minutes just to clean up messy overlapping ways and mysteriously tagged
entities, I might give up and not map that area at all.

Let's concentrate on the concerns Frederik raised and discuss them based
on their own merit.

It is great that students want to map things. It is awesome, and we need
more of it.
But it does put a bigger burden on their mentors, assuming those exist.
For example, looking at the area Frederik highlighted, it is a bit of a
concern. I often use OSM data for foot routing, and that data would
cause serious problems.
Cleaning it up would also not be a short task, so who's up for it?

> Since you seem confused about “what the purpose of this is”, and can’t
> even be bothered to look up any of the “long-ish discussions”,  I’ve
> done a Google search for you to find this:  https://www.opensidewalks.com/
> 
> Threatening to delete all the work from the OpenSidewalks project just
> because you found one poorly mapped thing is not very nice.  Hope you’ll
> reconsider.  
> 
> Thanks, Bryan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:32 AM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org
>> <mailto:frederik at remote.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> we had a long-ish discussion here (or was it over at imports?) about
>> adding sidewalks, especially related to a project called "OpenSidewalks"
>> which boldly announced a massive attempt at doing so.
>>
>> I recently stumbled across this changeset in Austin, TX:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/603909001
>>
>> In it, an untagged line was added 24 days ago, with a vague promise of
>> using JOSM later to add relevant tags, which hasn't happened yet.
>>
>> What's more, there are some erratic sideways in the same area,
>> un-connected to the road network and un-connected to each other, see e.g.
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id&way=603909004#map=21/30.28318/-97.74670
>>
>> and as such hardly usable for anything like pedestrian routing. And they
>> don't even look good on the map. I really wonder what the purpose of
>> this is. At least they're all tagged with "project=OpenSidewalks" which
>> makes it easier to delete them once the project has run out...
>>
>> Bye
>> Frederik
>>
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