[Talk-us] Thoughts on a standard "ref" abbreviation for PA Turnpike?

Albert Pundt roadsguy99 at gmail.com
Mon Nov 12 02:07:02 UTC 2018

I didn't mean put network=* on the way; I meant the route relation. I
presume that's already how it differentiates Interstates, US routes, state
routes, etc. I don't know how else it could be done from the relation.

I certainly agree now with adding PATP as a ref on the ways for the reasons
you've described.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 7:54 PM Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.kenny at gmail.com> wrote:

> An aside (off list for reasons that will become obvious):
> It's unlikely that OSM-Carto will ever support the shaped shields and
> relation-driven support for route concurrencies that I'm doing. The support
> requires changes pretty much all up and down the rendering toolchain, and
> the development teams for several of the tools (most notably osm2pgsql)
> have pretty much conclusively rejected the changes that I proposed to
> implement. Without them, it's pretty much impossible to provide proper
> support for concurrency among route relations.
> Essentially, I'm foiled at every step because the dev teams don't agree
> with my approach. For instance, the osm2pgsql team rejects any inclusion of
> relations (rather than constructing ways from the relations) in the
> rendering database. They predict various performance and maintainability
> problems that warrant rejecting the changes out of hand, even if they
> provide functionality that cannot be done otherwise. (Actually, pnorman
> believes that it *can* be done - but has yet to offer a coherent path to
> *how* to do it in a way that he'd accept - and I've not been able to find
> one.)
> At one point, the openstreetmap.us team was accepting of Phil! Gold's
> rendering of shielded ways and concurrent routes, which has several issues
> that I've fixed (requiring a read/write connection to the PostGIS database,
> and access as well to the native file system underlying it). I have hopes
> that if I can refine this system enough, I might convince someone to accept
> this as a national map, even though the main opensteetmap.org server will
> never have it.
> I've got things to where I can run with an unpatched mapnik, and I'm
> looking at pulling a switch at some point from osm2pgsql to imposm3. Once
> I'm to that point, I can start looking at integrating a tile cache and
> incremental updates. But my development time at this point is limited. Life
> keeps getting in the way. For instance, at the moment, I'm recovering from
> retinal surgery, and have a lot to catch up on once I'm back to full
> function, so OSM will be on hold for a while longer.

—Albert Pundt
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