[Talk-us] trail tagging

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Fri Apr 19 14:58:27 UTC 2019


tl;dr: Please, add always surface tag and other similar tags as needed.

I see that I answered at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:highway&diff=1844151&oldid=1843977 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:highway&diff=1844151&oldid=1843977>

It is a tricky topic. Lets start from disclaimers:

(1) I am from Poland and unfamiliar with US local situation (though I am familiar with hiking)
(2) I was involved in one of highway=path controversies - see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35389 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35389> 
https://gist.github.com/gravitystorm/ff5a6fdc695f08de1751 <https://gist.github.com/gravitystorm/ff5a6fdc695f08de1751> 
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1713 <https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1713>

Note that highway=footway is used in multiple ways. it may be used to indicate (1) a paved footway
(2) way primarily for walking.

In both cases I would encourage tagging also physical characteristics - at least surface=*
(StreetComplete is useful here).

"Path and track indicate the physical characteristics of the way." - I would dispute this.
There are highway=track that are high-quality asphalt, there are ones that are 
overgrown/muddy/with deep sand. Note that tracktype=* exists. I would argue the same for
highway=path, though many argue that surface=unpaved may be safely assumed there.

"cycleway/footway/bridleway should be discouraged, and should be only used if that is 
the only permitted usage" - also for cases like highway=footway + bicycle=yes?

Apr 19, 2019, 4:28 PM by bradhaack at fastmail.com:

> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for    a 4 wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track.   For    the most part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path.      Unfortunately the wiki says this for highway:path (the highlighting    is mine):
>  
>  > A non-specific path. 
> Use > highway <>> => footway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway>>  for paths mainly for walkers, > highway <>> => cycleway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway>>  for one also usable by cyclists, > highway <>> => bridleway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway>>  for ones available to horse riders as well as walkers
> and > highway <>> => track <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack>>  for      ones which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.
>  
>  I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1    user group, anything other than a path.    Since about 98% of the    trail tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on    this?   Perhaps if the international group likes the description as    is, a clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?
>  > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging>
>

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