[Talk-us] trail tagging
Mateusz Konieczny
matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Fri Apr 19 14:58:27 UTC 2019
tl;dr: Please, add always surface tag and other similar tags as needed.
I see that I answered at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:highway&diff=1844151&oldid=1843977 <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Key:highway&diff=1844151&oldid=1843977>
It is a tricky topic. Lets start from disclaimers:
(1) I am from Poland and unfamiliar with US local situation (though I am familiar with hiking)
(2) I was involved in one of highway=path controversies - see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35389 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35389>
https://gist.github.com/gravitystorm/ff5a6fdc695f08de1751 <https://gist.github.com/gravitystorm/ff5a6fdc695f08de1751>
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1713 <https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/1713>
Note that highway=footway is used in multiple ways. it may be used to indicate (1) a paved footway
(2) way primarily for walking.
In both cases I would encourage tagging also physical characteristics - at least surface=*
(StreetComplete is useful here).
"Path and track indicate the physical characteristics of the way." - I would dispute this.
There are highway=track that are high-quality asphalt, there are ones that are
overgrown/muddy/with deep sand. Note that tracktype=* exists. I would argue the same for
highway=path, though many argue that surface=unpaved may be safely assumed there.
"cycleway/footway/bridleway should be discouraged, and should be only used if that is
the only permitted usage" - also for cases like highway=footway + bicycle=yes?
Apr 19, 2019, 4:28 PM by bradhaack at fastmail.com:
> Everywhere I've been in the US or Canada a dirt 'way' too narrow for a 4 wheel vehicle is called a trail, path, or single track. For the most part they are appropriately (IMO) tagged as path. Unfortunately the wiki says this for highway:path (the highlighting is mine):
>
> > A non-specific path.
> Use > highway <>> => footway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway>> for paths mainly for walkers, > highway <>> => cycleway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dcycleway>> for one also usable by cyclists, > highway <>> => bridleway <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbridleway>> for ones available to horse riders as well as walkers
> and > highway <>> => track <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack>> for ones which is passable by agriculture or similar vehicles.
>
> I think it makes no sense to call a dirt path, open to more than 1 user group, anything other than a path. Since about 98% of the trail tagging that I've seen seems to agree, Is there consensus on this? Perhaps if the international group likes the description as is, a clarification on the US road tagging wiki page?
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging>
>
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