[Talk-us] Request for review of plan for scripted edit

[Alex Hennings]

Fixed: references -> relations.

Noted: "False impression of data freshness". I hadn't considered this and I
would like more opinions.

Regarding "single area-code Question" I think you're talking about 7 digit
numbers, and my plan to optimistically appending an area code in cases like
Maine where there is only one area code. I acknowledge that as the weakest
of the assumptions but I thought of it as a safe guess and a net positive
change. For context on why I feel confident, living in Maine where we only
have one area code, locals will omit the area code because we don't need it
when dialing locally.

Regarding "how many seven-digit numbers" Good question! There are *6 in
Maine*, *163 in USA*.
(node
    ['phone'~'^([^0-9]*[0-9]){7}[^0-9]*$']
    (area:3600063512); // or 3609331155 for usa
 way
    ['phone'~'^([^0-9]*[0-9]){7}[^0-9]*$']
    (area:3600063512);
 relation
    ['phone'~'^([^0-9]*[0-9]){7}[^0-9]*$']
    (area:3600063512););
 out count;

The C# tools I'm building should work with any c# IDE. I use VisualStudio
<https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/> which is free, and available on
iOS and Windows. I'm happy to help if you want to get them up and running.

-Alex

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 3:58 PM Kevin Broderick <ktb at kevinbroderick.com>
wrote:

> I'm of mixed feelings on the apparent freshness, but as long as the
> guidelines are followed so changesets are of reasonable size and easily
> identified as scripted, I don't see much of an issue.
>
> While having an automated script make assumptions caused me to twitch a
> little, the reality is that a human is going to make the same assumption.
> If I see a seven-digit number on a sign and want to dial it, I'm going to
> assume that the area code is 207; if I'm across the state line in New
> Hampshire, I'm going to assume 603. If that assumption isn't correct, the
> source data is bad anyhow, and adding the implicit area code isn't making
> it substantially worse. Have you been able to discern how many seven-digit
> numbers are in the system?
>
> On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 2:56 PM Jmapb <jmapb at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/8/2019 1:28 PM, Alex Hennings wrote:
>> > Community,
>> >
>> > I'm planning a scripted change and would like feedback. Plans are
>> > outlined here:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits/blackboxlogic
>> >
>> > I'd appreciate feedback or questions in the 'Discussion' portion of
>> > that wiki page, or within this email list.
>>
>> Hi Alex!
>>
>> First, a possible typo: I think "Nodes, Ways and References" should be
>> "Nodes, Ways and Relations"?
>>
>> I'm a fan of the +1-xxx-xxx-xxxx format, since it's the only standard
>> format that's visually intuitive to North American users. I often switch
>> numbers to this format when I make updates to an existing POI.
>>
>> Personally, though, I've always felt a little uneasy about automated
>> updates like this because they give a false impression of the freshness
>> of the data. If it's been five years since any "real" updates to a POI,
>> I'd rather that the date of last update reflected that. It's hard to
>> gauge the community consensus on this issue, but IMO running this on
>> POIs that have been manually updated (ie not by a mass edit) in the last
>> 6 months would be fine.
>>
>> Regarding the single area code question... now that cell phones, VOIP,
>> and nationwide calling plans are ubiquitous, the idea that a certain
>> area code refers to a certain area is steadily eroding. I have started
>> to see a few businesses with out-of-state phone numbers on their
>> signs... but at this point it's still more likely that an out-of-state
>> area code is an error or SEO spam. I'd suggest that these would go into
>> your "Manually review or flag" category.
>>
>> Regardless, the idea that an area can have a single "traditional" area
>> code is still true. Personally I have no problem with prepending the
>> traditional area code onto 7-digit phone numbers. (I do it all the time
>> in manual mapping.)
>>
>> Finally, thanks for posting your tools... I see these are written in
>> CSharp, which I'm only tangentially familiar with. What sort of
>> environment would one need to build these?
>>
>> Thanks, Jason
>>
>>
>>
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