[Talk-us] Alt_names on counties

Bryan Housel bhousel at gmail.com
Mon Dec 30 23:36:50 UTC 2019


They could all have `operator:wikidata=Q7414497`, then there is no confusion.  

A dataset of all operators in OSM linked to wikidata QIDs will be coming soon, I promise! 😄

We already have this for brands, and it’s pretty rad:  https://nsi.guide


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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Ray Kiddy <ray at ganymede.org> wrote:
> 
> Is there a way that the alt_name vs name situation can be sorted for a key like "operator"?
> 
> For example, the "San Jose Unified School District" in California gives too few results in overpass. Add queries for "San José Unified School District" and you are good.
> 
> If I was looking at the district, it would work to have the name without the accent as "name" and then, without the accent, it would be the "alt_name".
> 
> But there is no "operator" or "alt_operator" tag on the schools, so I guess I keep having to use this?
> 
>     [out:json][timeout:25];
>     // gather results
>     (
>       // query part for: “operator="San Jose Unified School District"”
>       node["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>       way["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>       relation["operator"="San Jose Unified School District"];
>       node["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
>       way["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
>       relation["operator"="San José Unified School District"];
>     );
>     // print results
>     out body;
>     >;
>     out skel qt;
> 
> cheers - ray
> 
> 
>> On 12/27/19 9:57 PM, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>> Thanks, Tod.
>> 
>> BTW, I believe the "official_name" for all California counties is now
>> in the format "County of Los Angeles", right? This shouldn't be used
>> for the "name=" since almost everyone still puts the County last (e.g.
>> "Los Angeles County") in common usage, but official documents will use
>> the other way with "of" in the middle.
>> 
>> Joseph Eisenberg
>> 
>>> On 12/28/19, Tod Fitch <tod at fitchfamily.org> wrote:
>>> Based on this discussion and my own checking to see what search engines are
>>> doing with the data, I think it would be okay to move the alt_name tag value
>>> to be a short_name value for the counties in California and Arizona where
>>> the current alt_name tag is the same string as the name but without a “
>>> County” suffix. For example:
>>> 
>>> alt_name=“Los Angeles”
>>> name=“Los Angeles County”
>>> 
>>> Changed to
>>> 
>>> name=“Los Angeles County”
>>> short_name=“Los Angeles”
>>> 
>>> From my side this is now just a desire to be logical and consistent (not
>>> always a trait seen in OSM tagging). My initial annoyance has been dealt
>>> with on my topo map rendering by creating a Postgresql function that, among
>>> other things, will ignore alt_name values if they fit the above criteria. As
>>> noted by Joseph Eisenberg, the alt_name/short_name value could probably be
>>> dropped in these cases but I suspect that will get more push back than
>>> changing the tag.
>>> 
>>> — Tod
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 27, 2019, at 7:21 PM, Joseph Eisenberg <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's not necessary to add an alternative like "Josephine" if the name=
>>>> is already "Josephine County" because geocoding and search application
>>>> already know to search for part of a name.
>>>> 
>>>> For example this search already finds the "Josephine County"
>>>> administrative boundary as the first result:
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=Josephine - and there is no
>>>> short alt_name or short_name.
>>>> 
>>>> So I think there is no reason to have this information duplicated if
>>>> we are just worried about search.
>>>> 
>>>> -Joseph Eisenberg
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/27/19, stevea <steveaOSM at softworkers.com> wrote:
>>>>> I truly love the level of detail we get "coming out of the woodwork" so
>>>>> that
>>>>> we may have excellent real-life examples to share with one another (and
>>>>> +1
>>>>> to one another, too!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> To be brief about it (rare for me, I endeavor to get better):  good
>>>>> examples, discussion / dialog and sharing our real-world experiences and
>>>>> knowledge is only going to help things.  If somebody reading now has a
>>>>> more-concrete understanding of differences between old-, alt-,
>>>>> official-,
>>>>> and so on, hooray.  If such sharper focus finds its way into a
>>>>> more-enlightened sentence or paragraph in a wiki, great.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chip, chip, chipping away at it (are all of us),
>>>>> SteveA
>>>>> 
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