[Talk-us] Potential Mechanical Edit to remove access=private from Amazon Logistics driveways in NH

[Adam Franco]

There were several threads in talk-us during July that discussed the
problems of access=private on driveways:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2020-July/thread.html

   - [Talk-us] access=private on driveways (was: Deleting
   tiger:reviewed=no/addr:street for routes)
   <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2020-July/020304.html>
   - [Talk-us] access=private on driveways
   <https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2020-July/020323.html>

Long story short, if access=private is "added by default", then there is no
way to differentiate between "normal driveways" where uninvited guests
might raise eyebrows due to social convention and actually-signed/gated
driveways that explicitly prohibit access.

If access=private is "added by default" and routers are forced to ignore it
to reach the final destination, then there is no way for them to work out
which routes might actually be allowed conditionally to access the
destination when circumstances are appropriate (deliveries, political
canvassing, invited guests, etc) and which ones truly are prohibited via
signage, barriers, etc.

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 11:48 PM Tod Fitch <tod at fitchfamily.org> wrote:

> Don’t recall if it was on talk-us or tagging, but yes there was a recent
> discussion on this.
>
> If I recall correctly it seemed access=destination was preferred if you
> were going to tag an access value.
>
> But since a significant number of driveways (nearly all?) are not
> physically through roads there is little danger of a router directing you
> on it unless your destination is on the driveway, so tagging an access=*
> really isn’t needed most of the time.
>
> —Tod
>
> On Aug 16, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Skyler Hawthorne <osm at dead10ck.com> wrote:
>
> Was there a previous discussion about this that I can catch up on?
> Driveways seem like access=private is appropriate across the board, not
> just when there is explicit signage. If you drive onto someone's house's
> driveway without permission, you are trespassing on their property.
>
>
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