[Talk-us] Opinions on Devil's Slide Bunker (San Mateo, CA)

[Mike Thompson]

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 6:53 PM Brian Stromberg <brian.stromberg at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would argue that maps can only show the world as the mapmaker wants it
> to be shown...
>

In OSM we should map facts, what is observable on the ground (with the
exception of personal information, and perhaps culturally sensitive sites
whose location has not otherwise been published ). Like Stevea alluded to,
what the data user does with the information is up to them.  Otherwise, we
descend into only relying on opinion as to what facts are "dangerous" or
what facts could "encourage dangerous or bad behavior."  Also, some facts
are embarrassing to individuals or organizations because those facts might
show they are not doing their job.  Of course, they will not come out and
say, please don't publish these facts because it is an embarrassment to us,
they will find some way to say "the facts are dangerous" or "while the
facts portray a bad situation, publishing those facts will only make the
situation worse."

In this case, our obligation is to clearly indicate that access=no or
access=private (in other words, not open to the general public).

We can debate whether this should be tagged tourism=viewpoint, but the
debate should be around whether the object fits our definition, not whether
it may or may not encourage "bad" behavior.  For all we know,
historic=ruins might actually encourage more bad behavior than
tourism=viewpoint.  I am not saying it will, I am saying we don't have any
evidence one way or the other.

Mike
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