[Talk-us] National Forest refs/names

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County Road 14, Boundary County ID. TIGER name is "Camp Nine Road",
joins with a forest road labelled in the US Forest Roads Overlay as just
"Camp Nine".

Around 48.7993305N 116.2837172W

Mark.

On 2020/07/30 8:12, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Could we get some examples of what you mean?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:26 PM <tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net
> <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net>> wrote:
> 
>     That seems sensible. What about the general case (i.e. no continuity
>     with a county road?) - to add "road" or not?
> 
>     On 2020/07/30 7:09, Paul Johnson wrote:
>     > I'd generally include the whole name including "Road" in that case.
>     >
>     > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:03 PM <tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net
>     <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net>
>     > <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Quick question for clarification.
>     >
>     >     The US Forest Roads overlay in JOSM shows the name of forest roads
>     >     without "Road"; e.g. "Burton Creek B". Should the suffix
>     "road" be added
>     >     or is it redundant and a waste of bytes? (Sometimes there may be
>     >     continuity from, say, a County Road with e.g. "Burton Creek Road",
>     >     though.)
>     >
>     >     Mark.
>     >
>     >     On 2020/07/30 2:55, Paul Johnson wrote:
>     >     > Alright, I think we have a consensus forming.  Someone want
>     to update
>     >     > the wiki?
>     >     >
>     >     > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:30 PM Evin Fairchild
>     >     <evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>>
>     >     > <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >     I'm also in favor of this change. It's a route number,
>     so it only
>     >     >     should be in the ref tag. This will make Forest service
>     roads more
>     >     >     consistent with other numbered routes. Even though most, if
>     >     not all,
>     >     >     Forest service roads don't have a name but just a number, I
>     >     still am
>     >     >     in favor of this. I was a bit surprised that the wiki was
>     >     saying to
>     >     >     keep the road number in the name.
>     >     >
>     >     >     In fact, the names that most of these forest service
>     roads have
>     >     >     don't even match common parlance. Most people refer to
>     them as
>     >     >     "Forest Service Road XX" whereas the TIGER import called
>     them
>     >     >     "National Forest Development Road XX," which might be
>     the official
>     >     >     name, but not the most common name.
>     >     >
>     >     >     -Evin
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 6:47 AM Mike Thompson
>     >     <miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>>
>     >     >     <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >         On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:33 PM Paul Johnson
>     >     >         <baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>
>     <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>>
>     >     <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>
>     <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>>>> wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >             Could we get the US Road Tagging page updated to
>     reflect
>     >     >             common name practice instead of encouraging the
>     >     duplication
>     >     >             of the ref in the name?  Or is that going to
>     spark drama?
>     >     >
>     >     >         I am in favor of the change.  The name tag should be
>     for the
>     >     >         name only.
>     >     >
>     >     >         Mike
>     >     >
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