[Talk-us] National Forest refs/names
Paul Johnson
baloo at ursamundi.org
Thu Jul 30 22:18:53 UTC 2020
I'd be inclined to include "Road" on that.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 5:06 PM <tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net> wrote:
>
> County Road 14, Boundary County ID. TIGER name is "Camp Nine Road",
> joins with a forest road labelled in the US Forest Roads Overlay as just
> "Camp Nine".
>
> Around 48.7993305N 116.2837172W
>
> Mark.
>
> On 2020/07/30 8:12, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Could we get some examples of what you mean?
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:26 PM <tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net
> > <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net>> wrote:
> >
> > That seems sensible. What about the general case (i.e. no continuity
> > with a county road?) - to add "road" or not?
> >
> > On 2020/07/30 7:09, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > I'd generally include the whole name including "Road" in that case.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 5:03 PM <tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net
> > <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net>
> > > <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net <mailto:tj-osmwiki at lowsnr.net>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Quick question for clarification.
> > >
> > > The US Forest Roads overlay in JOSM shows the name of forest
> roads
> > > without "Road"; e.g. "Burton Creek B". Should the suffix
> > "road" be added
> > > or is it redundant and a waste of bytes? (Sometimes there may
> be
> > > continuity from, say, a County Road with e.g. "Burton Creek
> Road",
> > > though.)
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
> > > On 2020/07/30 2:55, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > > Alright, I think we have a consensus forming. Someone want
> > to update
> > > > the wiki?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:30 PM Evin Fairchild
> > > <evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com <mailto:evindfair at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm also in favor of this change. It's a route number,
> > so it only
> > > > should be in the ref tag. This will make Forest service
> > roads more
> > > > consistent with other numbered routes. Even though most,
> if
> > > not all,
> > > > Forest service roads don't have a name but just a
> number, I
> > > still am
> > > > in favor of this. I was a bit surprised that the wiki was
> > > saying to
> > > > keep the road number in the name.
> > > >
> > > > In fact, the names that most of these forest service
> > roads have
> > > > don't even match common parlance. Most people refer to
> > them as
> > > > "Forest Service Road XX" whereas the TIGER import called
> > them
> > > > "National Forest Development Road XX," which might be
> > the official
> > > > name, but not the most common name.
> > > >
> > > > -Evin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 6:47 AM Mike Thompson
> > > <miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>>
> > > > <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>
> > <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com <mailto:miketho16 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:33 PM Paul Johnson
> > > > <baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>
> > <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>>
> > > <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>
> > <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Could we get the US Road Tagging page updated to
> > reflect
> > > > common name practice instead of encouraging the
> > > duplication
> > > > of the ref in the name? Or is that going to
> > spark drama?
> > > >
> > > > I am in favor of the change. The name tag should be
> > for the
> > > > name only.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
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