[Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

[Mike Thompson]

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:59 AM Bradley White <theangrytomato at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > While it certainly may exist, I'm not aware of a disparity between the
"congressionally declared boundary" and any other boundary of a NF,
including "physical land that the NF actually owns and manages."  How would
anyone know where this latter boundary is?
>
> The declared boundaries are administrative boundaries that limit the
> extent in which each NF *may* manage land, but only land owned by the
> USFS within these boundaries is actually protected at
> 'protect_class=6' criteria. Both of these boundaries are available for
> download using the USFS Data Extract tool, and specifically in
> California, the surface ownership boundary of each national forest is
> included in the CPAD database. They can also usually be verified on
> the ground by yellow NF property markers, as stated previously. In
> fact, it is the congressionally declared boundary that is impossible
> to verify on the ground.
>
> Having lived in multiple places within a "declared" NF boundary, the
> NF affords no protection on the land I have lived on. There might be
> some extra hoops to jump through when pulling permits, but that
> certainly isn't enough to include it within a 'protect_class=6'
> boundary.
Thanks for the clear explanation.  That conforms to my understanding.

If anything, owning property in a NF puts on obligation on the FS, not the
land owner.  Specifically the FS has to allow the landowner access to the
property if it can't be obtained in any other manner.

Somewhat related, in the cases where an official FS road or trail crosses
private property, does the FS have an easement, or is it kind of an
informal arrangement?

If we can't have both in OSM, including only US Gov owned lands in the
National Forests is preferable in my opinion.

Mike





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