[Talk-us] National Forest boundaries

[brad]

I've been struggling with this for roads.   Unfortunately on the ground 
survey is the best.   There are a few cases where property owners have 
put up illegal, or very misleading signs.  The motor vehicle use map 
(MVUM) is helpful, but usually not accurate outside NF boundary, but 
maybe good for a small inholding.   I've come up to private no 
trespassing signs many places on my rides.     Some counties have 
official maps (Ouray, CO), but I think most do not. This reminds me that 
I need to prod my own county again, I asked them for clarification on 
some roads which are shown as county roads on the county assessors map, 
but posted no trespassing.
The national map viewer, and the BLM map viewer are not very good. I 
think they may have the same data that was imported into OSM with the 
tiger import.

On 6/23/20 8:17 AM, Mike Thompson wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 8:08 AM Bradley White 
> <theangrytomato at gmail.com <mailto:theangrytomato at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Somewhat related, in the cases where an official FS road or trail 
> crosses private property, does the FS have an easement, or is it kind 
> of an informal arrangement?
> >
> > Best way to know for sure is ground survey, but generally USFS system
> > roads & trails (also available for viewing using the USFS data extract
> > tool) over private land are public easements. If a section of the
> > system road/trail 'disappears' over a piece of land, it might not be
> > open to the public. An on-the-ground survey is usually required in
> > those cases.
> Thanks again.  On the ground survey shows nothing more than an 
> official looking USFS TH sign/board.  There are no signs indicating 
> one is crossing private property, nor are there signs indicating one 
> must stay on the trail.  After about a half mile of hiking one does 
> come to several of those yellow property boundary signs. County level 
> data does show the initial part of the trail to be on private 
> property.  Just curious as in other cases landowners have posted "no 
> trespassing" signs blocking trails.
>
> Mike
>
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