[Talk-us] Name tag on unnamed, but numbered routes

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:44 PM Minh Nguyen <minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us>
wrote:

> Vào lúc 18:07 2021-11-19, Paul Johnson đã viết:
> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 7:54 PM Minh Nguyen
> > <minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
> > <mailto:minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us>> wrote:
> >
> >     Regardless, I think there's a strong case for explicitly tagging
> names
> >     that don't follow the usual formula, rather than expecting data
> >     consumers to special-case individual routes or roads. It's been a
> while
> >     since I traveled through Oklahoma, but I remember there used to be
> >     street name signs all along U.S. 69/75 that read "State Road 69".
> >     That's
> >     information that would be lost by deleting the name tag in favor of
> >     ref.
> >     Just map the signs, right? :_(
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure that's always a good plan.  I'm familiar with the section
> > that you're referring to, and geographically immediately clear that it's
> > the correct route if your nav tells you to "turn right onto US 69, US
> > 75", there are still currently OK state highways with numbers 69A and
> > 75A, and 75A still has at least one OK 75 sign on it reflecting its old
> > number.  The ground truth matches what's in the state law and the
> > section books, and it's not uncommon to find signs ODOT missed updating
> > for decades.  Heck, there's still some OK 33 signs floating around
> > various roads that fell into county maintenance and errantly now on
> > different highways after OK 66 and US 412 supplanted most of its route
> > east of its terminus in front of Sapulpa High School.  This inconsistent
> > signage is what lead to the Liberty Parkway situation on OK 364 a couple
> > years back , even though it's been signed Liberty Parkway since that
> > extension was built.
>
> Ah, I didn't realize it's just an outdated sign. The sign looked kind of
> new to me, so I thought it was just a quirk of Oklahoma's, reflecting
> the fact that U.S. Routes are technically state-maintained roads.
>

Those signs have retained color well but at night the reflectivity is total
garbage showing severe signs of weathering.


> This faulty memory aside, I think my point stands about road names that
> intentionally buck the usual formula.
>

In Oklahoma, which *ostensibly* doesn't have a supplement to the US MUTCD,
"SH-69/75" is just slapping something together without actually fact
checking it. SH 69 never went anywhere near Durant and neither did SH 75,
so the sign itself was almost definitely wrong when it was installed.  I
usually send their media person a hint when I find errant signs, so I'll
probably be in touch if it's still wrong next time I'm through there.  A
D3-1a sign with no name (leaving the route shields by themselves) would be
the correct sign. Oklahoma being cheap and not wanting to do shields on
D3-1 signs usually just letters it out but even then US-69/75 would have
been the more accurate value in that case.  ODOT's pretty good about fixing
finger signs when people point out the sign's wrong, so if you think you
spotted an incorrect sign, mpr at odot.org is probably the easiest to reach to
let 'em know.
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