[Talk-us] Talk-us Digest, Vol 175, Issue 11

Fri Jun 24 12:55:43 UTC 2022

Hi Ashlyn,

In addition to the great advice from others, I would be happy to discuss
this over a phone call and see where we can support your efforts!

Warm Regards,
Maggie

*Maggie Cawley*
Executive Director
OpenStreetMap US <http://www.openstreetmap.us>
Pronouns: she/her

On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at 07:09, <talk-us-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

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>    1. Open Street Map Data Contributions (Ashlyn Haynes)
>    2. Re: [Imports] Open Street Map Data Contributions (City of
>       Springdale, Arkansas) (Attila Kun)
>    3. Re: Open Street Map Data Contributions (Tod Fitch)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:51:34 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Ashlyn Haynes <ahaynes at springdalear.gov>
> To: <talk-us at openstreetmap.org>,        <imports at openstreetmap.org>
> Cc: "Clayton Sedberry" <csedberry at springdalear.gov>, "'Holly Young'"
>         <hyoung at springdalear.gov>
> Subject: [Talk-us] Open Street Map Data Contributions
> Message-ID: <006f01d88732$42c59830$c850c890$@springdalear.gov>
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> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> We are with the City of Springdale, Arkansas GIS department. We have been
> working on getting our public  data out to other mapping platforms. We
> have recently submitted to ESRI and Google Maps. We created an account,
> and have been going through the tutorial to familiarize ourselves with OSM
> editing. We are wanting to submit our address and centerline datasets for
> a contribution to your platform. I see in the wiki page that there is a
> community buy in? Or licensing?  What is a local buy in? We are a local
> government organization. I am not sure if that matters.
>
>
>
> Let us know what we need to do proceeding forward.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ashlyn Haynes
>
> GIS Analyst
>
>  <mailto:ahaynes at springdalear.gov> ahaynes at springdalear.gov
>
> 201 Spring St.
>
> Springdale, AR 72764
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 21:46:01 +0200
> From: Attila Kun <attila at attilakundev.com>
> To: Marc_marc <marc_marc at mailo.com>, Ashlyn Haynes
>         <ahaynes at springdalear.gov>, talk-us at openstreetmap.org,
>         imports at openstreetmap.org
> Cc: Clayton Sedberry <csedberry at springdalear.gov>, 'Holly Young'
>         <hyoung at springdalear.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Open Street Map Data Contributions
>         (City of Springdale, Arkansas)
> Message-ID: <8e6f1713-f891-06c7-3f86-3b229fd2286d at attilakundev.com>
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> Hello all,
>
> It is a very good thing to show how the web editor works but for imports
> I strongly recommend JOSM(Java OpenStreetMap editor). I cannot say it
> enough that iD is only good for smaller edits where you don't have to
> pull data from other sources but you just put it there manually. Or at
> least I don't like using it above 30-40+ edits per changeset since it
> starts to get laggy for me. iD doesn't support file loading so
> definitely JOSM is a must to have for importing.
>
> JOSM supports geojson, csv, xml, kmz files, basically all kinds of
> formats that are used in GIS.
>
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/
>
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Introduction
>
> JOSM has a great feature that you can select multiple elements with a
> key combination and you can search for specific tags with the searcher,
> I don't know if iD has any of these traits, maybe yes but JOSM is more
> robust, even if it has a learning curve. (it takes a few weeks but after
> that you're master in it)
>
> Also as Mateusz mentioned before, OSMUS Slack has #imports, and
> #local-oklahoma-arkansas channel where the details can be discussed.
> That's the local buy-in that people support your project, and it's a
> crucial step, because it may happen that some people import data
> carelessly, without discussing the community, and the result is mostly a
> disaster.
>
> I hope this helps a bit.
>
> BR,
> Attila
>
> On 2022. 06. 23. 21:09, Marc_marc wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > resend with CC
> >
> > Le 23.06.22 ? 20:51, Ashlyn Haynes a ?crit?:
> >> What is a local buy in?
> >
> > the active contributor community in the area of your import
> > must accept (buy in) your import project.
> > I don't know how big the communities are in the US,
> > others will answer better than me.
> > you do however have an idea of the communication channels of local
> > communities when you make a contribution to the data via the web
> > editor, which I strongly advise you to do to familiarise yourself
> > is the edit button on
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/36.18682/-94.12896
> >
> >> We are a local government organization. I am not sure if that matters.
> >
> > no, rules are thee same
> > but it's nice to know that a government agency cares about its
> > geographical area in osm
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marc
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 15:56:27 -0700
> From: Tod Fitch <tod at fitchfamily.org>
> To: Ashlyn Haynes <ahaynes at springdalear.gov>
> Cc: talk-us at openstreetmap.org, imports at openstreetmap.org, Clayton
>         Sedberry <csedberry at springdalear.gov>, Holly Young
>         <hyoung at springdalear.gov>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Open Street Map Data Contributions
> Message-ID: <7CA64795-A273-4226-8AC1-D0BF53328BA2 at fitchfamily.org>
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> Hi Ashlyn,
>
> Thank you for considering getting authoritative data from your GIS
> department into OpenStreetMap. In particular, address data is often missing
> and would be very welcome.
>
> I concur with attila at attilakundev.com <mailto:attila at attilakundev.com>
> that JOSM would be a much better editor to use for this type of work.
>
> With respect to licensing: The key is if your licensing is compatible or
> allows your data to be used by OpenStreetMap. Many US states or localities
> put their data into the public domain which is definitely compatible with
> OSM requirements. I am not a lawyer but you probably have some in your
> organization. If you have them look at the OSM licensing requirements and
> review them against your city?s data license they can advise you if there
> is an issue. And you can then advise the OSM community. An issue that can
> be a sticking point is if you require attribution other than the usual
> ?OpenStreetMap contributors?. The way OSM is structured that type of
> restriction cannot be met. One of the big fears many of us in the OSM
> community have is if data we are not licensed to use is put into OSM, a
> check of your licensing by qualified people would clarify the legal
> situation.
>
> With respect to actual importing of the data: It is likely some center
> line and address data for your city already exists in OSM. Any import
> process should conflate your data with the existing. Duplicating existing
> is not desired.  And deleting and then replacing existing where there are
> conflicts will remove the edit history which is also not desired.
>
> If there is an active volunteer OSM community in your city or state, they
> should be consulted and could be a very good resource for actually helping
> you perform the data validation and conflation of your data into OSM.
>
> Regards,
> Tod Fitch
>
> > On Jun 23, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Ashlyn Haynes <ahaynes at springdalear.gov>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > We are with the City of Springdale, Arkansas GIS department. We have
> been working on getting our public  data out to other mapping platforms. We
> have recently submitted to ESRI and Google Maps. We created an account, and
> have been going through the tutorial to familiarize ourselves with OSM
> editing. We are wanting to submit our address and centerline datasets for a
> contribution to your platform. I see in the wiki page that there is a
> community buy in? Or licensing?  What is a local buy in? We are a local
> government organization. I am not sure if that matters.
> >
> > Let us know what we need to do proceeding forward.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Ashlyn Haynes
> > GIS Analyst
> > ahaynes at springdalear.gov <mailto:ahaynes at springdalear.gov>
> > 201 Spring St.
> > Springdale, AR 72764
> >
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