[Talk-us] Unfortunate labeling of Au Sable State Forest, MI

Andrew Mueller andrew.a.mueller at gmail.com
Wed May 11 23:51:28 UTC 2022


The land in question is owned by the state of Michigan, leased by the Federal government for military training. For sure the military training area should be broken out separately from the adjacent area of state Forest and access restrictions added, or clipped out entirely as OP suggests.

Andy Mueller

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> On May 11, 2022, at 5:59 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the DWG has received a complaint that goes as follows:
> 
> "East and northeast of Grayling. Michigan is a large tract of forest labelled the Au Sable State Forest Grayling Unit on your maps. This may in fact be true but in fact that forest area is the largest military reservation for the National Guard east of the Mississippi River. Units from all over the country come there for live fire exercises. That includes Air Guard, not just artillery. Hence that is emphatically NOT an area where someone could just wander into and camp & fish. Believe me, I live forty miles away from the reservation and can hear explosive impacts all the time. Therefore I would not prominently label that area as a state forest! Consider its proper name, which is the Camp Grayling Join Maneuver Training Center."
> 
> It appears that everything is technically correct in OSM; there's one of those much-beloved huge relations for the State Forest's "Grayling Unit", here
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/13965599#map=11/44.7162/-84.4203
> 
> and it appears that most of the Camp Grayling area lies within the state forest.
> 
> I assume that the complainant's assumption that just because something is a state forest you can go there for camping and fishing is just wrong and I will tell them as much. But as you can see, by an unfortunate twist of the labelling algorithm, the large green lettering "Au Sable State Forest - Grayling Unit" appears bang in the middle of the hatched military area and could well give the wrong impression that this area is the state forest.
> 
> I have no idea how this could be fixed. It probably can't. Just raising it here for awareness.
> 
> Bye
> Frederik
> 
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