[OSM-Talk-ZA] Talk-ZA Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 looks like we can use the maps

Nic Roets nroets at gmail.com
Fri Sep 19 16:39:27 BST 2008 

Hi John,

Your tagging will be fine. Even simpler would be source:name="City Of
Tshwane online". The important thing is to have Braam Visser on record.

Just be aware that Tshwane online may be quite out of date, like Rietpan
Street in Faerie Glen and Mansfield in Wonderboom South.

--
I see you tagged the crescent to the north as "Queen Road; Impala Road". Is
this a recognized standard ? My worry is that searching software will no
longer be able to find Impala Road.

Regards,
Nic

On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, John <john.vez at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thankyou for clarifying that.
>
> Just to clarify. If I am using the Tshwane web-info site as info source I
> presume I would need to add the following or similar:
>
> source= "Street name from City Of Tshwane on-line map service.
> http://www.tshwane.gov.za/streetmaps.cfm"
>
> For example see Queen Street Irene where the street signs show Queen Road
> incorrectly.
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-25.87423&lon=28.217&zoom=17
>
> Regards,
> John
>
>
> On Monday 15 September 2008 10:47, Carl Sutton wrote:
> > i sent them a email asking if we could use the data.  this was the reply:
> >
> > The copyright belongs to the City Of Tshwane, but the maps may be used
> > freely. Please refer to: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/?p=105 , and
> > the response by Derek Clark: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/?p=106 ,
> > please note: " It is possible to have free data but still have copyright
> on
> > that data. Copyright on free data is not used to restrict the use of the
> > data but rather to ensure that the user acknowledges the source and also
> to
> > ensure that no other party claims a copyright on that data."
> >
> > If you want to order data please see:
> > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/largescalemaps.cfm and "Request for electronic
> > data"  ( there is a charge for creating the data disks )
> >
> > The data is usually collected at the City of Tshwane, but please discuss
> > this with: geoinfoservice at tshwane.gov.za
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Braam Visser
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:00 PM, <talk-za-request at openstreetmap.org>
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> > >   1. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (Nic Roets)
> > >   2. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (John Grant)
> > >   3. Re: City of Tshwane on-line GIS (Nic Roets)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:20:13 +0200
> > > From: "Nic Roets" <nroets at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS
> > > To: "John Grant" <john.vez at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Openstreetmap ZA <talk-za at openstreetmap.org>
> > > Message-ID:
> > >        <11b08d4a0809120720pd65f293s9e2f4ca9fbed59c5 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Are there specific areas of our Tshwane map where you would like to see
> > > improvement ?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Nic
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:55 PM, John Grant <john.vez at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > Not sure if anyone is aware of the City of Tshwane on-line GIS site.
> > > >
> > > > Gives Street Names, Suburbs, orthophoto etc. Looks pretty well
> > >
> > > maintained.
> > >
> > > > Does anyone know what the copyright would be? I would imagine that at
> > >
> > > least
> > >
> > > > the street name info should be public domain even if the source needs
> > > > to
> > >
> > > be
> > >
> > > > mentioned.
> > > >
> > > > Streetmaps enquiries: Geomaticscartography at Tshwane.gov.za
> > > >
> > > > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/street_Search.cfm
> > > >
> > > > http://gis.tshwane.gov.za/website/Tshwane_internet/viewer.htm
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:54:46 +0200
> > > From: John Grant <john.vez at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS
> > > To: "Nic Roets" <nroets at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Openstreetmap ZA <talk-za at openstreetmap.org>
> > > Message-ID: <200809121754.46923.john.vez at gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > > Hi Nic,
> > >
> > > Yes, I would always like to see improvement :-) and have been updating
> > > over the past few weeks.
> > >
> > > My real question is,
> > >
> > > Is the City of Tshwane info copyright or public domain and to what
> > > extent?
> > >
> > > Can we use the City of Tshwane info to update Open Streetmap? e.g.
> street
> > > names, where these are missing. City of Tshwane is a public body
> > > responsible
> > > for providing this info to the public. Of course source can and should
> be
> > > acknowledged, no problem there.
> > >
> > > It may even be possible to use the orthophoto info on Open Streetmap as
> > > yahoo
> > > is being used at the moment.
> > >
> > > Or even an import from the Tshawane database directly.
> > >
> > > Anyone know?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Friday 12 September 2008 16:20, Nic Roets wrote:
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > Are there specific areas of our Tshwane map where you would like to
> see
> > > > improvement ?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Nic
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:55 PM, John Grant <john.vez at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > Not sure if anyone is aware of the City of Tshwane on-line GIS
> site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gives Street Names, Suburbs, orthophoto etc. Looks pretty well
> > > > > maintained.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know what the copyright would be? I would imagine that
> at
> > > > > least the street name info should be public domain even if the
> source
> > > > > needs to be mentioned.
> > > > >
> > > > > Streetmaps enquiries: Geomaticscartography at Tshwane.gov.za
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/street_Search.cfm
> > > > >
> > > > > http://gis.tshwane.gov.za/website/Tshwane_internet/viewer.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Talk-ZA mailing list
> > > > > Talk-ZA at openstreetmap.org
> > > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
> > >
> > > --
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:03:17 +0200
> > > From: "Nic Roets" <nroets at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] City of Tshwane on-line GIS
> > > To: "John Grant" <john.vez at gmail.com>
> > > Cc: Openstreetmap ZA <talk-za at openstreetmap.org>
> > > Message-ID:
> > >        <11b08d4a0809121103o65b78983l1422fd224cd9872 at mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > > Yes, I would always like to see improvement :-) and have been
> updating
> > >
> > > over
> > >
> > > > the past few weeks.
> > >
> > > No more hiding. Itoworld is here !
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Even though they are a public body does not mean their maps are in the
> > > public domain. Just because they allow you to see it on the web, does
> > > not mean that you may distribute (modified or unmodified) copies of
> > > it. You can always ask, but you'll need someone with authority that
> > > can promise you that their data wasn't derived from a non free source.
> > >
> > > SA will have something equivalent to "fair use" or "fair trading".
> > > This allows people to copy small pieces of something, for example a
> > > journalist quoting a book. Since none of us are doing this for profit,
> > > we may copy more than a commercial map maker, but there are limits.
> > > Furthermore, if you have a personal reason to use their maps (e.g.
> > > finding a street), you may (probably) share what you learn with OSM.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM, John Grant <john.vez at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > Hi Nic,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My real question is,
> > > >
> > > > Is the City of Tshwane info copyright or public domain and to what
> > >
> > > extent?
> > >
> > > > Can we use the City of Tshwane info to update Open Streetmap? e.g.
> > > > street names, where these are missing. City of Tshwane is a public
> body
> > >
> > > responsible
> > >
> > > > for providing this info to the public. Of course source can and
> should
> > > > be acknowledged, no problem there.
> > > >
> > > > It may even be possible to use the orthophoto info on Open Streetmap
> as
> > >
> > > yahoo
> > >
> > > > is being used at the moment.
> > > >
> > > > Or even an import from the Tshawane database directly.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone know?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > On Friday 12 September 2008 16:20, Nic Roets wrote:
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Are there specific areas of our Tshwane map where you would like to
> > > > > see improvement ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Nic
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:55 PM, John Grant <john.vez at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Not sure if anyone is aware of the City of Tshwane on-line GIS
> > > > > > site.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gives Street Names, Suburbs, orthophoto etc. Looks pretty well
> > > > > > maintained.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know what the copyright would be? I would imagine
> that
> > > > > > at least the street name info should be public domain even if the
> > > > > > source needs to be mentioned.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Streetmaps enquiries: Geomaticscartography at Tshwane.gov.za
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.tshwane.gov.za/street_Search.cfm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://gis.tshwane.gov.za/website/Tshwane_internet/viewer.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > --
> > > > John
> > >
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