[OSM-Talk-ZA] Lepelle, Motlatse, etc.

[Glen Wilson]

Before going too far into this, take a look at the name key 
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Name> on the OSM wiki.  Also take a 
look at the on-the-ground rule 
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule>.  OSM 
records what is - there's little scope for what was and will be.

Basically name=* is what displays on most of the renderers etc. If most 
(local) people and (more importantly) road signs know it as the Blyde 
River then that's what should be set in the name=* tag.  In such a case 
official_name="Motlatse River" is useful.

alt_name=* would probably apply if it were also called Blyde Canyon River.

Of course if the local government's got lots of money for sign changes 
(and the people want out with the old) then go ahead and use 
name="Motlatse River"; old_name="Blyde River".

Language variations (name:xx=*) might be useful in cases where the 
official name is really just the same thing in a different language 
(which seems to be the case for Levuvhu vs Levubu, but I'm no language 
expert).  In these cases it's still a good idea to use 
name/official_name/old_name etc.

This naming stuff also applies to names of other things like places, 
parks, and streets.

Include the suffix ("River/Stream/Spruit" etc) in the name if known.  
It's quite possible to have "Blyde River" tagged as waterway=stream 
(waterway=* is a physical/functional tag and would be relevant even if 
it was called "Motlatse Street").

Later

Glen

On 24-Mar-13 16:38, Gerhardus Geldenhuis wrote:
> Hi
> I think the alt name should be the old name. If we do it the other way 
> around we risk getting involved in politics. Having the old names as 
> alt names would however be important. More names means it gives 
> flexibility to have differently rendered maps. You could probably even 
> go as far as having the old province borders imported as historical 
> data, not that it would be of much use but might be interesting for 
> historical purposes.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On 24 March 2013 10:22, David Schneider <d.schneider at tradermail.info 
> <mailto:d.schneider at tradermail.info>> wrote:
>
>     Hi List!
>
>     The OSM data still has the Olifants River, Blyde River, etc.
>     listed under
>     their old names.
>     According to various sources, the official name changed in 2005 to
>     Lepelle.
>     http://www.krugerpark.co.za/krugerpark-times-2-15-olifants-river-lepelle-20557.html
>     So did the names of a number of other places.
>
>     Have these name changes never been adopted by the ZA public, and
>     are therefore
>     merely an act of the bureaucracy? I think, both names should be in
>     our data.
>     Either as name: Lepelle, old_name: Olifants River, or name:
>     Olifants River,
>     alt_name: Lepelle. What do you think?
>
>     Best,
>     David
>
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