[OSM-Talk-ZA] highway=residential in residential estates considered harmful?

[Damjan Jovanovic]

This OSM Help question:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/20749/deciding-driveway-vs-private-residential
came to the opposite conclusion: that highway=residential should only be
for public roads, maintained by the municipality, while highway=service is
for private roads. Roads in (at least some) office parks, eg. the Dimension
Data campus, are all highway=service already (
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-26.04178/28.02418).

I doubt we will ever complete mapping of roads inside secured residential
estates, and without a way to distinguish public and private roads, we have
no way to calculate the naming completeness of public roads.

Also highway=living_street seems to be legally enshrined in some countries.
We are not on that list, so I am not sure how valid it is here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dliving_street


On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:31 AM Kieron Thwaites <kieron.thwaites at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Depending on the purpose of the road within the housing estate, any of
> highway=residential, highway=living_street or highway=service may be
> appropriate.  It depends on what the road is used for: I tend to go with
> highway=residential by default, highway=living_street in estates where I
> know that the road is considered a shared pedestrian/car space (e.g. within
> the estate, pedestrians are considered to have equal or higher right of way
> to vehicles) and highway=service for things like delivery access roads.
> Local knowledge of the estate is essential to know which to go for.
>
> As an example, see Wilderness Garden Estate in Wilderness.  I used to go
> to the neighbouring Wilderness Dunes on holiday, and I know from my surveys
> that a mix of highway=living_street and highway=service is appropriate
> there.
>
> It's perfectly acceptable for a road to be unnamed (to go back to my
> example, the roads in Wilderness Dunes have no names), and it's perfectly
> acceptable for a service road to be named if there is a sign on the ground
> indicating such a name.  If the road in question is indeed unnamed,
> consider use of the noname=* key which should take care of validation: note
> that noname=* should only be used in cases where it has been verified that
> there is genuinely no name, and that noname=* and name=* should be omitted
> entirely if the name is unknown (which is the point of those validation
> messages in the first place).
>
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 20:07, Damjan Jovanovic <damjan.jov at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> According to GeoFabrik (View: highways), a large number of roads in JHB
>> are missing street names. However most of these are highway=residential
>> roads in residential estates / townhouse complexes, that don't have names
>> anyway.
>>
>> Should we be using highway=service instead, inside residential estates?
>>
>> What about large estates that do have named streets? Should
>> highway=service roads be named or should we use a different highway type?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Damjan
>>
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