[OSM-talk] World wide coverage?

Andy Robinson Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk
Sat Dec 16 10:58:31 GMT 2006


Excellent post Mikel,
Cheers

Andy

Andy Robinson
Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
>bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Mikel Maron
>Sent: 16 December 2006 7:56 AM
>To: Andrew Turner; SteveC
>Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] World wide coverage?
>
>A longish email where I talk about TIGER, data stewardship, almien
>coastlines, VMAP0 and New Zealand...
>
>
>TIGER has been a bit of a saga. Ben Gimpert has put a lot of time into it,
>and has other things to focus on now.
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2006-November/009182.html
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2006-December/009231.html
>
>Perhaps we should rethink how we're importing TIGER. One huge update
>script, running for months on end,
>no one monitoring it closely, and one misstep in the implementation, it has
>to start all over again. Too long
>between iterations.
>
>If someone comes in and is interested in doing OSM for a particular US
>area, there should be a set of tools
>to import just the counties they want. For instance, I wanted a few SFBay
>counties imported for Where 2.0
>this year. Once imported, that data is going to be closely inspected. If
>there's a problem with the import
>script, that will quickly be iterated out, and a counties worth of bad data
>can be removed vis JOSM easily.
>
>This is the kind of personal stewardship we have with GPS derived data, and
>that should be fostered for
>automated import as well.
>
>
>I've added
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_United_States#Users_int
>erested_in_the_United_States
>to kick off some community around this.
>
>
>Almien Coastlines works something like this, afaik, and even there I think
>there may need to be some revision
>since areas are needed to designate the sea (a topic for another thread I
>think..).
>
>
>At lower resolution, Mapnik is rendering VMap0. The global VMap 0 coverage
>is split into four files. Looks like
>only the two northern hemisphere files are being used now. That should be
>easy to add into the tile generation.
>
>
>For New Zealand, one of the OSM GPS units is currently taking a tour of New
>Zealand with  "John Wash (Surrey LUG)",
>so looks like data collection is starting there. There's also apparently
>data for New Zealand in the public domain
>http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Potential_Datasources#New_Zealand,
>which has been converted for use in Garmins
>(see the link there). Yahoo has detailed imagery over Auckland, so tracing
>possible.
>
>So maybe after your (Andrew) trip around NZ, you'll be really stoked to
>kick these off as well ;)
>
>-Mikel
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Andrew Turner <ajturner at highearthorbit.com>
>To: SteveC <steve at asklater.com>
>Cc: Talk Openstreetmap <talk at openstreetmap.org>
>Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:38:41 AM
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] World wide coverage?
>
>Agreed that I really want to contribute - like many others out there.
>I was just voicing that I feel discouraged when I can't see the
>efforts or even "availability to map here" of various - large -
>geographic areas.
>
>Right - so I guess I was pointing out that the front of OSM is very
>Euro-centric, which is understandable given its history and probably
>large current user/developer base. But as a non-Euro, with the
>visitbility and assumedly desired visibility to branch out, may want
>to consider how it appears to others.
>
>Then I was hoping, as you did slightly, to get pointed to resources
>that would help on this specific front. I haven't been able to keep up
>with everything - but got the gist that TIGER is proving logistically
>difficult - too bad. I'll get right on uploading my Michigan GPX files
>;)
>
>Andrew
>
>On 12/15/06, SteveC <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
>> * @ 15/12/06 11:15:38 PM ajturner at highearthorbit.com wrote:
>> > Hey everyone,
>> >
>> > I'm curious on the slippy map and other displays that worldwide
>> > coverage seems not only sparse/unshown, areas of the world just aren't
>> > even displayed. For example, if you zoom out to the world view, you
>> > only get the Northern Hemisphere, and not even the whole thing (west
>> > coast of US and further cut off)
>> >
>> > And at least in the US - when you zoom into areas that have apparent
>> > OSM coverage - you just get the "... more OSM coming soon" message.
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> This is the "why isn't $AREA shown on the slippy map" problem.
>>
>> > >From right next to the map:
>> > "OpenStreetMap is a free editable map of the whole world. It is made
>> > by people like you.
>> > OpenStreetMap allows you to view, edit and use geographical data in a
>> > collaborative way from anywhere on Earth. "
>> >
>> > I'm curious what the problem is with incorporating other areas? It
>> > seems like it would be difficult to attract interest/excitement if
>> > someone's country isn't even visible. I'm traveling to New Zealand and
>>
>> The second part of the first sentance you quoted is 'It is made by
>> people like you.'
>>
>> I know you're a (F||O)SS person so I hope you take that to heart. :-)
>>
>> If something is broken it isn't due to intended neglect or willful
>> ignorance. You're welcome to help tiles at home use the excellent
>> osmarender or metacarta with their WMS-C project. The default tiles also
>> need help, there are docs on the wiki for all of these I think.
>>
>> have fun,
>>
>> SteveC steve at asklater.com http://www.asklater.com/steve/
>>
>
>
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