[Openstreetmap] update

[Andy Robinson]

I see what you are getting at here and I like the idea a lot. It's a cool
way to go. However I also see that this is a layer of function and usability
that sits as a layer on top of the guts and grunt of OSM. It's what makes
OSM cool rather than what makes it happen. To make it happen we need a
sustainable platform. It's how we get to that first step, bearing in mind
the wish for cool features to be based upon it, that IMHO we must reconcile
fairly swiftly.

Cheers,

Andy

Andy Robinson
Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: openstreetmap-bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk [mailto:openstreetmap-
>bounces at vr.ucl.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Carden
>Sent: 10 February 2006 10:24
>To: Lars Aronsson
>Cc: openstreetmap at vr.ucl.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: [Openstreetmap] update
>
>On 2/9/06, Lars Aronsson <lars at aronsson.se> wrote:
>>
>> I must admit I didn't understand what Tom meant with his comment,
>> so I'd welcome him to clarify this.  What is a "flickr of maps"
>> and how would that work?  I have some photos on flickr and nobody
>> can edit them.  Flickr is a for-profit company that sells premium
>> services and that was acquired by Yahoo.  Which of these aspects
>> could OSM emulate?  No, I'm not sarcastic, I really want to know.
>>
>
>Yes, I admit that just throwing "Flickr of maps" out there isn't a
>great way to describe what I mean, but basically what I'm talking
>about is a shift in emphasis from pseudo-anonymous uncredited editing
>of maps to socialising *around* maps.  What Jyri Engestrom identifies
>as "object-centered sociality"
>http://www.zengestrom.com/blog/2005/04/why_some_social.html
>
>Let's make cool tools that sit on top of a mapping layer, and make
>that mapping layer publicly editable.  Let's make good maps happen as
>a by-product of the fact that people have stories to tell, and want to
>make map to do it.
>
>It would be about users feeling like they had some real shared
>ownership of the data, and some kind of presence on openstreetmap.org.
> You would be able to go to any user and see what maps they had been
>editing recently, and what they had to say about those areas.
>
>Taken to it's extreme conclusion, when I get home from a trip I upload
>my photos to flickr.  I'm sure lots of you already routinely upload
>your GPX tracks to OpenStreetMap.  If it was totally analagous to
>Flickr, I could see your latest tracks, comment on them, add tags, etc
>- and those tags would be associated with you, as well as the map.  At
>the moment, OSM's "tags" are just subsumed into one great whole...
>they aren't personal, they aren't fun, and I don't think they're tags
>at all in the same sense as del.icio.us or flickr has tags.
>
>I should be concentrating on other things so I'll leave it there, but
>hopefully you can see how this would be very different to wikipedia
>(not as freeform, not as anonymous, more room for egos, etc).  But you
>can also see how a site like this might appeal to different people
>than we appeal to now.
>
>The two approaches could live side by side, of course, and what I'm
>talking about could sit on top of a 'wikipedia of maps', but I'd like
>to see them tightly coupled together so that people almost build the
>maps by accident, just because they have something to say about them.
>I'm not saying it's better, I'm just turning it on its head and seeing
>how it looks.
>
>Interested in your thoughts,
>
>Tom.
>
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