[OSM-talk] The long tail

[David Groom]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Carden" <tom at tom-carden.co.uk>
To: "Immanuel Scholz" <immanuel.scholz at gmx.de>
Cc: "Talk Openstreetmap" <talk at openstreetmap.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] The long tail


> On 06/07/06, Immanuel Scholz <immanuel.scholz at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>> I need different parts of the database at different time. As a coder, it
>> is mostly needed for doing offline testing and performance measurement.
>>
>
> I had hoped for this too.  Maybe Steve could get some NDAs for people
> wanting to experiment with the live database (a slave of it, I mean) -
> to spread the liability pre-OSMF?

For the benefit of non native English speakers an NDA is a non disclosure 
agreement, ie data can be shared between the parties, but on strict terms 
and not released for general use.

I would have thought tat in the meantime this would be a good way forward, 
as long as producing such a dump of the database didn't take too long?

David



>
>> To write on history stuff, a history in the dump would be nice. To check
>> for concurent modification issues, the timestamp is necessary. To work on
>> GPS traces, these table is helpfull... you get the point.
>
> Some of these things are coming.  I don't see a problem with
> timestamps on the data - at least marking the time the export was
> performed would be very sensible.
>
>>
>> I just don't want to beg every time again to get the next piece of data. 
>> I
>> have to beg customers in bussiness each day, but never in open source
>> projects dedicated to distribute data.
>>
>
> What others, apart from wikipedia, are relevant examples?  I'm very 
> curious.
>
>>
>> The other reason I lately insists in getting the database is Steve's
>> strange reasons suddenly popping up from nowhere the same time his old
>> reasons were thinned out by faster scripts and people declaring their 
>> lack
>> of privacy interest.
>>
>
> They don't pop up from nowhere - privacy has been the main reason for
> not doing a database dump for ages.  When Steve finally did do a
> limited export (the first planet.osm) it was the first time he'd
> tried, and so reasons of performance then entered into the equation.
> Nothing funny is going on.  There may be differences over opinion
> about the legality and ethics of certain actions, but nobody is
> playing with you.  These differences in opinion can be resolved in
> time, preferably using the clean-room/paranoid approach that keeps OSM
> safe, but once there is an OSMF then depending on member wishes and
> who is in control... feel free to be reckless.
>
> Best,
>
> Tom.
>
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