[OSM-talk] The OSM Applet - let's ditch it for JOSM (was:Mapping Reading, some impressions)

[Andy Robinson]

I would be good to have an ongoing survey as feedback from any user at any
time.

Andy Robinson
Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk 

>-----Original Message-----
>From: talk-bounces at openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
>bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Nick Black
>Sent: 05 September 2006 10:40 AM
>To: Etienne
>Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org; Tom Carden
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] The OSM Applet - let's ditch it for JOSM
>(was:Mapping Reading, some impressions)
>
>I fully agree that the trashing of the applet is not constructive in
>any way.  Those who slag it so heavily should observe the results of
>this survey question that I asked in June 2006:
>
>Q2: Which OSM editing tools do you use?
>
>Editor:	Total
>OSM Editor	        4
>No OSM Programs	4
>Uses the Applet	    26
>JOSM	                   34
>TOTAL RESPONSES FOR EACH:	43
>
>Feel free to trash my statistically unsound survey strategy - but the
>Applet is cearly in use by over 50% of respondents - even if not
>uniquely.  Given that the general feeling is that "power users" do not
>use the applet, you may also be intereseted to see that:
>
>
>Q1: How do you rate your level of experience with computers in general?
>
>
>Sum of Count	Total	Percentage
>
>1	0	0%
>2	0	0%
>3	4	9%
>4	14	33%
>5	25	58%
>
>Where 1 is a novice and 5 is an IT professional.  So in the only
>vaguely statistically valid sample of OSM users we have, the results
>suggest that "power users" did use the applet in June 2006.
>
>Maybe its time for another survey?  At least they give more concrete
>results than the "who can shout the loudest" flaming on the mailing
>list.
>
>Full results are still available here:
>
>http://www.blacksworld.net/osm/Final_OSM_Survey.ods
>
>nick
>
>
>
>
>
>On 9/5/06, Etienne <80n80n at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/5/06, Tom Carden <tom at tom-carden.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On 04/09/06, Tom Chance <tom at acrewoods.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The web applet sucks.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Speaking as the person who wrote the initial version of the current
>> > applet, can I just say that the continued trashing of it on this list
>> > is tiresome, offensive, and not constructive.
>>
>> It is the burden of all software developers that their users will
>criticize
>> the software.  Try not to take it too personally.  It is never meant
>> personally and is usually a clumsy attempt to be constructive.
>>
>>
>> > I accept, as I'm sure
>> > do Steve (who wrote the tiling interface to the applet amongst other
>> > bits) and Imi (who retrofitted tagging into the applet, even though he
>> > didn't like it!), that the way the applet works just isn't viable for
>> > efficient and productive editing.  If we knew then what we know now,
>> > we would have done it differently.  I don't want to hear any more "the
>> > applet sucks" type criticisim.  Everyone agrees it's unusable... and
>> > yet nobody is stepping up to do something about it.
>> >
>> > Here's my suggestion:
>> >
>> > It seems that for 99% of people actually actively mapping, JOSM is the
>> > main tool of choice (no offense to other editor writers).  How about
>> > we ditch the applet and put a page about JOSM on the edit tab?
>> > Download links, how to navigate to the area you were just viewing, a
>> > full tutorial, etc.  I don't think at the moment it would hurt OSM one
>> > bit if JOSM became an 'official' client and there was no web-based
>> > editing solution.
>>
>> Or have www.openstreetmap.org go to the wiki and have a link from there
>to
>> the slippy map at edit.openstreetmap.org.
>>
>> > These are changes that can be written by any one of the extremely
>> > motivated non-coder OSM contributors, and would be far more
>> > productive, and less hurtful, than whining about the applet.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Tom.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > talk mailing list
>> > talk at openstreetmap.org
>> >
>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> talk mailing list
>> talk at openstreetmap.org
>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>talk mailing list
>talk at openstreetmap.org
>http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk