[OSM-talk] What would you do if...

[Ben Robbins]

Looking back up the mailing list I found this.  It seems to have faided away 
but I really can't agree with the reply's so I'm replying...

I wouldn't assume anything.  There a many many examples of this.  Horses may 
freqeunety go somewhere, but they may have private permission to do so.  
Unless I can tell that the public have taken horses down there or walked 
down there I would just leave it as a track.  Fox hunts usually make tracks 
like this.

I wouldn't go with C though.  I think things should be tagged as the highest 
known status, but not asumed to be higher than you know.  Otherwise OSM data 
would have no real value..

>* that a landowner should put up a sign and / or a gate + lock if he
>wants to keep vehicles / horses of a well established road on his
>property. So (c) without the note should also be fine.

Its exactly the oposite.  It is asumed private unless there is a sign, or it 
is marked on an OS map.  Dam right to, it shouldn't take landowners to 
police and add securty to there properties to stop people going where they 
shouldn't.  I enjoy the openess wich is so because most people will keep to 
rights of way.

>are we mapping "how things are meant to be" or "how things are"?

How things are I would definately say.  OS can state how they should be, we 
should state how they are.

If we just mark anywhere horses go as C, then I have many many many ways to 
add, but I'm not going to do that.

>Just as if a UK road has big blue  signs and hard shoulders, it's a 
>motorway, whether or not it has a  Special Roads Order.

This is a poor similey.  The simily would shorley be, ... just as if cars 
travel at 80 down a stretch of tarmack, it must be a motorway....  but thats 
still wrong.  A bridleway is NOT a place where some horses have once been.  
Its a place where horse riders are told they can legally go.

Around me there is a great problem where horse riders roam where they 
shouldnt, and there are gates/barriers etc put up to stop them.  They still 
refuse to listen....this does not mean they are creating bridleway's.  It 
means they are breaking the law and using either private land, or 
footways/other ways.

Legal rights and Phisical evedence are NOT the same thing...and I've brought 
this up many times befrore, so sorry to be repetative, but thats how it is, 
and until the tags are seperated up around these 2 factors these problems 
will keep arising.

Ben

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