[OSM-talk] Germany and the Cycle Map

[Peter Miller]

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> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:55:38 +0000
> From: Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemeD.net>
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Germany and the Cycle Map
> To: talk at openstreetmap.org, Peter Miller <peter.miller at itoworld.com>
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> Peter Miller wrote:
> 
> > I am currently implement cycle routes using the 'route' relation
> > method and
> > am very pleased with the opportunities it creates. I am still using
> > ncn_ref,
> > rcn_ref etc but am adding relationships as well.
> >
> > I would encourage Andy to start rendering both approaches so we can
> > start
> > deprecating ncx_ref in due course. JOSM needs to get a bit more
> > relationship
> > friendly
> 
> It's a little early to talk about deprecating ncn_ref.
> 
> Some OSMers need to remember that there is more than one editor ;)
> and that the second most popular editor does not currently support
> relations. Nor will it, until we have a few months' experience under
> our belts to demonstrate how relations are actually being used on the
> map.
> 
> A simple "associate ways with a user-edited relation type" interface
> is fine for JOSM, but it makes absolutely no sense in terms of
> Potlatch's UI. Potlatch has always attempted to abstract away the
> underlying data structures - that'll be true of its eventual relation
> handling, too, but there's no point in designing a UI until it's
> clear what these structures actually mean!

Absolutely, but personally I would suggest that it is a matter of timing
rather than 'if' ncx_ref is defrepated, but possibly we are talking about 6
months not 1 week. Others are of course entitled to their own opinion and we
need to have the discussion but I wanting to highlight the positive
experience I was having with them.

The editing of relationships does need some thought both in JOSM (where it
is possible but sometimes pretty obtuse)and also in Potlatch, where you are
waiting and watching for a while.

I would be interested however, if gravitystorm and freemap would start
rendering from both route relations in addition to ncx_ref so people to see
the results of using route relations.



Regards,



Peter

> 
> cheers
> Richard
> 
> 
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