[OSM-talk] Suggestion more complete mapping verifactiion

[Nick Black]

John,

You need to understand that OSM is different from a lot of other
projects precisely because we try to be so squeaky clean when it comes
to using copyrighted sources.  People here put a lot of their time and
energy into creating a free map.  One wrong move  and we could be sued
by, or have take-down notices issued by any number of organisations
who's business models we threaten.  If this sounds like paranoia, look
through this post - search for 'freethepostcode' and read from there.

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2006-July/005196.html



On 9/17/07, John Baker <rovastar at gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: John Baker <rovastar at gmail.com>
> Date: 17 Sep 2007 13:10
>  Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion more complete mapping verifactiion
> To: Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com>
>
> I still don't see anything illegal with what I am propsing it is a totally
> different case to the 192 one. However maybe a little more caution with
> posting results online. Maybe there is another database resource then that
> has offical street names in it.

Just because *you* don't see anything illegal, doesn't mean that
someone else's lawyers won't see something illegal.  The law isn't
about right and wrong, its about having the money to prove right and
wrong.

>
> Anyway I am not going to make up a whole site for this and come cap in hand
> to you after a year.
>
> I offered help and a solution to what I see is as a large problem with this
> project.
>
> You give me the list of "official" street names in a given area and I will
> do the rest. And the only advice is you need to do more work yourself before
> you can help us out.

Come on - where (other than planet.osm) would this list be?

>
> If you do not have all the streets in you map project how can you ever hope
> of it being the success you guys want. Once you start having cities that
> have all the streets in *then* it can become popular. But I cannot see how
> I/anyone can use/recommend using this project as we never know when a city
> has a complete listing of streets. I would have thought you would have
> wanted a more complete city but apparently many here do not.

Don't throw the toys out of the pram just yet.

>
> I would suggest when someone is offering help to an open source project you
> try and help them out rather than suggesting higher elistist entry levels
> for before helping out.

The problem here, is that your idea of helping and the list's idea of
helping are different.  Try and understand the community here before
berating us.  A tip for free: threats generally don't work here.  You
are one of 10,000 osmers - your contributions *could* be valuable, but
OSM isn't going to die without you.



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>
>
>  On 17/09/2007, Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> wrote:
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> > On 16 Sep 2007, at 11:43, John Baker wrote:
> >
> > > I can see nothing in the T&C that even remotely stops what I
> > > propose. Where is this in the T&C? I can find nothing like this at
> > > all.
> >
> > http://www.out-law.com/page-4294
> >
> >
> ftp://ftp.royalmail.com/Downloads/public/cmwalk/doc/active/
> >
> doc22600006/End-User%20Data%20Agreement%20V13.0%2001-09-2007.pdf
> >
> > Clause 7.1 (b,c,d)
> >
> > > I am not taking data directly just looking it up and manually
> > > verifing the street names.
> >
> > What I suggest is you go set up your own site, do all this work, tell
> > the RM you're doing it and then come back in a year if you haven't
> > been sued.
> >
> > Even if you're 100% right and have God on your side, OSM doesn't have
> > the money to defend you in court.
> >
> > have fun,
> >
> > SteveC | steve at asklater.com | http://www.asklater.com/steve/
> >
> >
> >
>
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