[OSM-talk] Voting

[Ulf Lamping]

Frederik Ramm schrieb:
> Hi,
>> Hmmm, you and some other guys effectively sabotaged voting several 
>> times.
> This is not the first time you use the word "sabotage" in this 
> context. I think it's rather strong language; I have openly expressed 
> my opinion that's all.
I just use the wording that I think is appropriate for an IMHO absurd 
discussion.
>> Did you noticed the side effect, that most of the discussion about 
>> the proposals almost stopped completely
> No I haven't noticed. 
Hmmm, because you don't seem to care/know what's happening in that area?
> I guess it's because summer's coming and people are out mapping.
>> sabotaging an actually working voting process to more or less quickly 
>> find decisions about how to improve stuff
> Well I think what may have happened is that I shattered an illusion. 
> It is just possible that people participating in the voting process 
> were under the impression that their decisions are somehow more than 
> recommendations, that they divide the OSM world into "approved" and 
> "not approved" stuff and that they define what people will use or not 
> use. 
I'm sorry, but this is YOUR illusion, not my point of view (and as far 
as I can tell none of the other "voting participants").

Maybe beside that the map features page in fact defines a lot how people 
actually map things (to the limit that this page still lacks a lot of 
stuff).
> I said that this is not the case, and maybe this has reduced 
> motivation to participate in the process. But honestly, how can you 
> ever believe that a process run by less than 0.1% of participants in 
> the project can have any authority? "Well, all those mappers who don't 
> use the opportunity to present, discuss and defend their views here 
> will simply have to live with our decision"? Come on!
Again, your expressing an illusion that you have about the voting 
process that just doesn't fit with reality. You obviously don't follow 
the dynamics of the proposal and voting stuff, but opposing it maybe 
because you just missinterpreting stuff and don't like the wording.

The whole voting - at least to me - is: "let's find a reasonable 
solution for this open point, so we can move on to the next". This has a 
lot more to do with "rough consensus and running code" than you seem to 
think.

Regards, ULFL